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  • Roy B.
    Expired
    • February 1, 1975
    • 7044

    Let the arguments begin

    I was thinking of all the talk about big money BB Corvettes and what
    Started it. BJ is blamed for most of it but lets look at how it started .
    C1's first were salt after because of their options, rarity and got
    Big money. Now most of the real restored original's are Trailered away in
    Storage. Then came the C2's and at first brought good money then later
    Brought big money , WHY? Paper work! To day to get big money you need paper
    Work, tank sticker,serial plate, trim plate,sales paper, numbers, dates
    Chalk markings and so on.
    I ask you how many people today keep all the paper work when buying a new
    Car?? Do you think every one in the 60's did?? But now it has become the number one selling point "Papers" then color .People saw that having papers got them big money over a Corvette not having any. So what happened next?
    Now you don't see a BB corvettes for sale at 100K and up with out a tank sticker or having all the variety of paper work needed.
    Is there any documentation NOT repro'ed ? If so please tell me!
    Every year weather at NCRS or Bloomington they gives top awards for more BB or L88's then ever made.(and now have more paper)
    So what can be done NOTHING! And don't tell me they can be detected and if so they "will" be corrected.
    C1 owners have a big advantage not having to come up with papers.
    Once all the C2's BB original or bogus are sold and run their course the SB may come Alive .
    Yes I know this statement will bring hell on me by BB owners , but ask your self (new owners)
    Am I really sure it's real.??
    PS: most L88 engines were sold for boat engines.

    Also if you have all the papers even if real people now wonder and if not people dont wont it.




  • Douglas L.
    Very Frequent User
    • August 31, 2003
    • 299

    #2
    Re: Let the arguments begin

    Older corvettes, which were built as a sports car, are an oxymoron:

    The more you drive them, the less their worth.

    The more you restore them, the less you drive them.

    The less they were driven, the more original they are.

    The more they are worth, the less you drive them.

    The more you show them, the more you tell people not to touch.

    The more original, (questionably) the more the worth.

    The more untouched, the more the worth.

    And on and on.

    What do any of the above have to do with what they were built for?

    Doug Lee

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    • Clem Z.
      Expired
      • January 1, 2006
      • 9427

      #3
      explain to me what pride is there in paying

      someone else $50K to $100K to restore a old corvette for you. like i have posted before to keep NCRS from adding to the paper trail that adds to the value just give the owner a plastic trophy like the do at other car shows. JMHO

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      • Michael H.
        Expired
        • January 29, 2008
        • 7477

        #4
        Re: Let the arguments begin

        Maybe I'm in the minority but I agree with some of Roy's deductions. I did the NCRS/Bloomington "show car" thing in the 70's and early 80's but not today. sold the show cars years ago. Bought the 66 big block in 1983 and have been driving it all over the country ever since. I STILL drive it a few times a week. In my opinion, there's absolutely nothing wrong with driving your unrestored car. However, I certainly see the other side of this too. Some people are just coming in where I left off 25 years ago and they enjoy the show thing. These cars mean different things to different people and I'm content with that. I respect everyone's opinion.

        I haven't a shread of paperwork for my 425 HP car and I'll be the first to admit it. I'd love to know it's history but I'd rather know in my mind that "it is what it is", even without all the phony paperwork that's coming on the scene today. as far as I'm concerned, todays paperwork means almost nothing, at least to me. Too many good reproductions of every imagineable piece of documentation available today. Years ago, paperwork meant something but, unfortunately, it's value has dropped quite a bit. Some incredibly accurate reproduction tank sheets floating aroung now.

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        • Jeff W.
          Expired
          • November 1, 2005
          • 272

          #5
          Re: Let the arguments begin

          The biggest enjoyment I get is driving my car down the road and seeing the reaction of people, especially the young kids, that have not seen one of these. Even though mine is only a 72, on the street is where they should be. I remember what my cousin told me when he found it "If I turn turn this car into a piece of garage art he would personnally kick my butt". A lot of good points Ray.

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          • Terry D.
            Extremely Frequent Poster
            • May 31, 1987
            • 2690

            #6
            Re: Let the arguments begin

            I agree with Michael, been at both ends of the hobby and certainly enjoy driving my 62 driver more than I did trailering my 62 trailer queen. But to each his own.
            Terry

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            • Chuck R.
              Expired
              • April 30, 1999
              • 1434

              #7
              Re: Well Roy

              It looks to me that we have a rift as big as the Mason Dixon line going here on this topic.

              On one hand, you have the Vettes that get restored and then get the wheels driven off them, and then there's the "others"

              The way I see it, just owning a Corvette no matter the year is quite an accomplishment in it'self given the costs to keep theses beautys alive. Obviously, it's easier for some more than others, that's where things turn really REALLY grey.

              Hey if I had a buldging pocket book, I'd be turning the country side upside down looking for that "original" set of spark plugs and oil filter too....but I don't so I can live with (should I say it Roy?) after market!

              When all the glitz is wiped off Roy, it's still just a car that probably won't mean much to anyone fifty years from now unless it's in a museum or a treasured family momento, so it gets down to getting big bucks for the trailer queens.

              For the folks that have or had beautiful rides that THEY have busted their backs, knuckles and sometimes pocket books too bringing back to life whether it's a trophy getter or not, you have my respect and admiration.

              All the others are just beautiful cars that true middle class individuals can only look at and admire.

              "Proud of my 68 driver" Chuckster 32205

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              • Dale S.
                Expired
                • November 12, 2007
                • 1224

                #8
                Re: Well Roy

                Roy, Looks like Jerry F. and I have the RARE VARIATION.(base engine, 67 C-2) Dale

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                • Mark K.
                  Very Frequent User
                  • January 1, 1983
                  • 148

                  #9
                  1967 L71 Silver/Black Coupe - Unrestored/Original Paint, Top Flight at 1998 Regional in Ontario, not judged since
                  1995 Red/Red ZR-1 - Top Flight back in 2010 Michigan Chapter meet

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                  • Roy B.
                    Expired
                    • February 1, 1975
                    • 7044

                    #10

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                    • Jim W.
                      Very Frequent User
                      • February 1, 1980
                      • 324

                      #11

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                      • Chuck S.
                        Expired
                        • April 1, 1992
                        • 4668

                        #12
                        Everyone Staying On Their Fiber One??!!...

                        Ya' gotta quit practicing your acupuncture, Roy...I think you hit a nerve!

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