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The same sheets are missing from my old copy of the 66 AIM. I have an original 66 AIM and the sheets are missing from it also, even though it has several other sheets that the reproduction/copies do not.
My AIM copy, vintage early 1980's is missing those pages also. Probably info from the early C2's that no longer applied to the later ones so the pages were deleted.....
I think you will find that they are missing from all of the REPORDUCED copies that were copied from the GM shelf copies...................as I have said in the past the reproduced copies that are out there were not from the MASTER set and are incomplete.
They are not missing because they longer applied to the later ones so the pages were deleted. If a process was deleted their should still be a page in there but it would have CANCELLED stamped across it.
Pure and simple.................the AIMs that were reproduced in the late 70's were incomplete in many ways. If you ever get the chance to see a COMPLETE MASTER edition you will have a better understanding of just how bad the repro's are.
Art's on the money, as usual. Over the last fifteen years or so, I've consolidated my '65 and '67 manuals from copies from three or four different sources to "fill in the holes", and even after all that, I'm missing exactly the same sheets noted in the post above.
We're fortunate to have what we DO have - the Ford and Mopar guys would KILL to have assembly manuals.
When GM packaged up the Corvette AIM's to send to Mid America all the rest, Camaro,Chevelle, Corvair, Passenger car,etc, and all the Truck lines went into a dumpster.......sad but true.
Someone got some of them. I have a 1967 Chevelle AIM, and other years of the RWD A-body AIMS are for sale. I have also seen first gen Camaro AIMS for sale at swap meets.
Terry, I'm sure that some other vehicle lines are available but it is hit and miss. I saw the majority of the "other" vehicle line AIM's, that were considered to be the (hard copy) working copies from the Records Retention Dept **** canned. I was working in the legal Department at the time and we had to authorize the transfer of AIM's to Mid America and only the Corvette books were sent to them.
The AIMs were distributed through out the corporation, especially within Engineering, not just to the plants, and the ones you have seen could have come from one of many location within GM.
The earliest reprints of some AIM had more information. I noticed that lots of the ECR stuff in the bottom notes box are blanked out in some of the recent C3 copies. Like they were edited? I also have 55, 56, 57 Big Chevy, some Camaro 67, 68, 69, 70, some Chevelle, a few others, had a Pontiyak (?). Bought them from Danchuk, and others right in HMN. There were helpful in identifying the few common points in common with Corvette.
In 1980 I remember being in R&J Corvettes’s office in Dublin, CA and they had one of those giant leased copy machines. It was about the size of three large refrigerators laying down and it ran continuously cranking out AIM’s. It was noisy, and hot and August too. I pretty sure this was prior to GM licensing them. I don't honestly know if Joe (RIP) was licensed. Matters little now. When would those copyrights pass into public domain?
Geoffrey Coenen
PS I’ll bet if someone had a job at GM and had access they could bring home lots of neat stuff. But I guess it would all depend upon what you brought home and how valuable they thought it was. One fellow in Michigan told me he brought home every blueprint he thought he would ever need before he leaving GM for the private sector - his own private sector. He is still in the old car field making reproductions.
Actually I think this is one subject that I know more about than you. The hard copy Corvette AIM's were GIVEN to Mid America with no strings attached.....well almost, GM directed M.A. to block out all the revision blocks before they sold them. In fact GM even supplied them with a "mask" to put over the revision block. M.A. did not use the mask, but GM never pursued it. Their was no financial deal with GM (I don't know exactly when EMI took effect, but this item was not thru them)as GM just wanted them to go to a good home.
M.A. did not have exclusive usage of these manuals, so anybody who wanted to get in on the action just bought a copy from M.A.and did their own thing.
The problem with all of the companies reproducing them was that they had no clue what they were looking at and therefore put pages in the wrong place or didn't know enough when pages were missing.............which resulted in many mistakes. Plus, as I have said, these were working copies that many GM engineers had been rummaging thru for reference and weren't in the best of condition when M.A. originally got them.
Yes, As an employee I also brought home MANY drawings .....................but they are just for my own personal use and I would never consider being a ***** and making reproductions.
I’m fairly confident that a number of AIM were being reproduced before they were ever given to MAD. I think MAD helped by filling in the missing ones to complete the run from 56-82. I wonder who blocked out those ECR, because I have seen some of these latter reprints that don’t have that info. It must be frustrating to those late C3 owners. But if you say they weren’t blocked out, I guess you would be the authority.
It is a shame that those who republished them did not know “what they were looking at and therefore put pages in the wrong place or didn't know enough when pages were missing.............which resulted in many mistakes”. I could not agree with you more, they just copied and didn’t know what they were doing. You know that does sound familiar, and no doubt is still prevalent.
I did not know you brought home any blueprints. The fellow I referred to was an engineer at GM and made other GM parts, not Corvette. I guess he was a ***** of a different color.
Geoffrey Coenen
PS Another guy told me he was offered the Engineering Work Orders for his Nassau/Daytona 1957 factory racer by an ex GM employee. Supposedly the only such papers in existence. Said that he met the ex GM guy who wanted $60,000 after showing him the papers. But he said he beat it back to the airport so fast it wasn’t funny. Now there is a real high class expensive *****. $60,000.
Yup, the "*****s" are the guys that HAVE the parts, paperwork or cars and the "good guys" are the guys that want it. The guys that HAVE it always want some outrageous amount of money. Then a few years later, one of the "good guys" winds up with one of the items and he wants three times as much as the first guy. I guess it all depends on who holds the goods. I think the people that DON'T have the goods are jealous.
QUOTE: Yup, the "*****s" are the guys that HAVE the parts, paperwork or cars and the "good guys" are the guys that want it. The guys that HAVE it always want some outrageous amount of money. Then a few years later, one of the "good guys" winds up with one of the items and he wants three times as much as the first guy. I guess it all depends on who holds the goods. I think the people that DON'T have the goods are jealous.
I’m a little bit confused Art . Are you saying you agree that the guy wanting $60,000 is a good guy, jealous or a high priced hooker? I suppose if someone was trying to make a fast buck selling some copied GM docs, they could run the gamet from a $20 colored in ebay AIM to the $60,000 peddled pilfered papers. Perhaps they’re just makin' a living or a Little Hoes’s & Big Hoe’s to use your analogy.
Geoffrey Coenen
PS I feel much better now that the class distinctions have been cleared up.
Maybe off the subject a bit but is there somewhere that OEM drawings are kept for all to use? When I was doing a bit of work on my 62 back in 91 or so I would pull all the drawings of the parts I was working on including fasteners. I have a pile about 10" tall of folded aperture prints. I would be willing to go get them copied and send the copies to somewhere for all to use.
Perhaps the museum? If not maybe someone could keep a database of parts drawings and who has them? Perhaps the NCRS could do this?
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