Re: NCRS Online Image Archive?

[Patrick H.]

Re: Volunteers, time, DOCUMENTATION & $$$$'s

And there you get to the root of the problem. Some Team Leaders are much more responsive than others, and will readily accept input. I know that I've helped further the JG's in at least 2 areas, but the Team Leaders are willing to hear me out.

Some appear to act differently.

Patrick

[Harry Sadlock]

Re: Volunteers, time, DOCUMENTATION & $$$$'s

Apparently, some don't act at all.

[Harry Sadlock]

Re: Volunteers, time, DOCUMENTATION & $$$$'s

Apparently, some don't act at all.

[Patrick H.]

Re: Volunteers, time, DOCUMENTATION & $$$$'s

Yeah, I'm waiting to see if these posts get deleted.

Patrick

[Patrick H.]

Re: Volunteers, time, DOCUMENTATION & $$$$'s

Yeah, I'm waiting to see if these posts get deleted.

Patrick

[Kevin M.]

Re: Maybe someone can come up with a simple

Send them all to me and I'll put them on a web site. Or send them to Rob he's got a bigger photo online presence than NCRS.

Kevin

[Kevin M.]

Re: Maybe someone can come up with a simple

Send them all to me and I'll put them on a web site. Or send them to Rob he's got a bigger photo online presence than NCRS.

Kevin

[Mike E.]

Re: Maybe someone can come up with a simple

As a long-time 61-62 team leader, I can tell you that some team leaders are less arrogant, some are less knowledgeable, some are very technically oriented, some are very people oriented. Welcome to this and any other hobby!
When it comes to IT stuff, I'm pretty well a novice. What I do know, however, is that it's very difficult to sort out what is correct from what is not, pictures or no pictures.
For example--and this is not picking on anyone, just stating fact--several of the responses that Roy has given, and at least one of his pictures posted within the last three days are incorrect. So how do we deal with that? Some guys hang on his every word, whether they check it out to be correct or not. If a picture is worth a thousand words, how many words is an incorrect picture worth? And if, for example, Roy and I would disagree on an item, and neither of us could convince the other of his correctness, who makes the call on what goes in?
I like many of the ideas that have been thrown out, but must caution that accuracy can easily be compromised.
For a number of years, the picture of me used in the RESTORER next to every one of my articles showed me leaning over the fender of a 62 fuelie. In that photo, the air cleaner had been chromed. The owner knew it was incorrect--I knew it was incorrect, and the judging manual said it was incorrect.However, we had to deal with one very irate 62 owner who brought his car to be judged and had his air cleaner chromed because "that's what the picture with Mike Ernst had in it!"
FWIW

[Mike E.]

Re: Maybe someone can come up with a simple

As a long-time 61-62 team leader, I can tell you that some team leaders are less arrogant, some are less knowledgeable, some are very technically oriented, some are very people oriented. Welcome to this and any other hobby!
When it comes to IT stuff, I'm pretty well a novice. What I do know, however, is that it's very difficult to sort out what is correct from what is not, pictures or no pictures.
For example--and this is not picking on anyone, just stating fact--several of the responses that Roy has given, and at least one of his pictures posted within the last three days are incorrect. So how do we deal with that? Some guys hang on his every word, whether they check it out to be correct or not. If a picture is worth a thousand words, how many words is an incorrect picture worth? And if, for example, Roy and I would disagree on an item, and neither of us could convince the other of his correctness, who makes the call on what goes in?
I like many of the ideas that have been thrown out, but must caution that accuracy can easily be compromised.
For a number of years, the picture of me used in the RESTORER next to every one of my articles showed me leaning over the fender of a 62 fuelie. In that photo, the air cleaner had been chromed. The owner knew it was incorrect--I knew it was incorrect, and the judging manual said it was incorrect.However, we had to deal with one very irate 62 owner who brought his car to be judged and had his air cleaner chromed because "that's what the picture with Mike Ernst had in it!"
FWIW

[mike cobine]

Re: Maybe someone can come up with a simple

You are making this too hard. It could be handled the same way it is now.

Pictures can be submitted, and the judging team goes over them.

1. Those deemed correct can be published.

2. Those with questionable items can be captioned explaining the correct and the questionable. For example, "the widget_1 in Photo 213 has been observed on several cars and may be correct. However, the widget_1 in Photo 212 has been seen on 80 percent of cars judged and is correct."

3. Those with known wrong items can be called out. This is more valuable than you think. It is important to know what is wrong as well as what is right. Otherwise, a "wrong" item could simply be regarded as a questionable item by many. For example, "In Photo 212, widget_1 is correct as viewed on 80% of the judged cars. Widget_2 is incorrect, as it is chromed. No chromed widget_2 were ever made."

This thread shows me a few problems:

1. Many don't trust the system to work.

2. Many think we can only learn from correct or original items. Often, the incorrect can be as valuable, as we are more likely to find incorrect items on cars. Knowing they are incorrect is important.

3. Worrying about making a mistake causes inaction. But if enough inaction occurs, a large percentage of NCRS will be dead, and the rest will never know correct from incorrect. Many fault the Vette Vues Fact Books, yet they were a great step forward, even with mistakes. The only real fault is that they didn't continue and correct the mistakes as they went along. This is an opportunity for NCRS to make a living collection of information that can educate those who have never seen or may never see some parts. And it can be updated regularly to reflect what is correct and what is incorrect.

[mike cobine]

Re: Maybe someone can come up with a simple

You are making this too hard. It could be handled the same way it is now.

Pictures can be submitted, and the judging team goes over them.

1. Those deemed correct can be published.

2. Those with questionable items can be captioned explaining the correct and the questionable. For example, "the widget_1 in Photo 213 has been observed on several cars and may be correct. However, the widget_1 in Photo 212 has been seen on 80 percent of cars judged and is correct."

3. Those with known wrong items can be called out. This is more valuable than you think. It is important to know what is wrong as well as what is right. Otherwise, a "wrong" item could simply be regarded as a questionable item by many. For example, "In Photo 212, widget_1 is correct as viewed on 80% of the judged cars. Widget_2 is incorrect, as it is chromed. No chromed widget_2 were ever made."

This thread shows me a few problems:

1. Many don't trust the system to work.

2. Many think we can only learn from correct or original items. Often, the incorrect can be as valuable, as we are more likely to find incorrect items on cars. Knowing they are incorrect is important.

3. Worrying about making a mistake causes inaction. But if enough inaction occurs, a large percentage of NCRS will be dead, and the rest will never know correct from incorrect. Many fault the Vette Vues Fact Books, yet they were a great step forward, even with mistakes. The only real fault is that they didn't continue and correct the mistakes as they went along. This is an opportunity for NCRS to make a living collection of information that can educate those who have never seen or may never see some parts. And it can be updated regularly to reflect what is correct and what is incorrect.