Re: They won't accept it, even if you do it

[Harry Sadlock]

Mike, I was not notified that the 3 updates to the 63/64 JG I submitted were rejected.

I must give serious thought about renewing my membership. The only saving grace is that my local chapter is a great.

Harry

[mike cobine]

Re: They won't accept it, even if you do it

Harry,
Carlton told me he wouldn't even look at the data I sent him. I told him I heard the TMJG was being updated soon and wanted to get all I had to him. I sent him a copy in email, told him I would also send it in paper, and asked what format he wanted it.

From Sept 21 email from Carlton in response to my offer:
Mr. Cobine as you have been advised the site you are referenching will not be used as a reference by NCRS.

[mike cobine]

Re: They won't accept it, even if you do it

Harry,
Carlton told me he wouldn't even look at the data I sent him. I told him I heard the TMJG was being updated soon and wanted to get all I had to him. I sent him a copy in email, told him I would also send it in paper, and asked what format he wanted it.

From Sept 21 email from Carlton in response to my offer:
Mr. Cobine as you have been advised the site you are referenching will not be used as a reference by NCRS.

[Robert Jorjorian]

Who appoints team leaders & how do we fire one? *NM*

[Robert Jorjorian]

Who appoints team leaders & how do we fire one? *NM*

[Harry Sadlock]

Re: They won't accept it, even if you do it

I did not start this thread? Someone pulled it out of an existing thread and placed it here.

I also did not create the Title of this thread. Why is someone moving posts around and creating new threads without telling the person who posted the message.

Put it back where it was!

This is uncalled for!

Harry

[Harry Sadlock]

Re: They won't accept it, even if you do it

I did not start this thread? Someone pulled it out of an existing thread and placed it here.

I also did not create the Title of this thread. Why is someone moving posts around and creating new threads without telling the person who posted the message.

Put it back where it was!

This is uncalled for!

Harry

[Alan Drake]

NCRS Judging and the Dump

You are not the only ones frustrated with the incorrect and lack of effort to correct the 63/64 manuals and others. Some very knowledgable people have tried to offer their support only to be reject as your ideas have.

Since a lot of factural data is incorrect in the JM and many people in the field know such - then what happens to the credibility of NCRS? In the long term such errors may very well spell the demise of our organization. Many people in the field already have things to say about NCRS that . . . .

Some form of a formal change procedure needs to be established. One where facts, proven by a known standard, get into the JM. How can we get this problem addressed??

I desire to fix the problem so we all benefit.

signed Frustrated

[Alan Drake]

NCRS Judging and the Dump

You are not the only ones frustrated with the incorrect and lack of effort to correct the 63/64 manuals and others. Some very knowledgable people have tried to offer their support only to be reject as your ideas have.

Since a lot of factural data is incorrect in the JM and many people in the field know such - then what happens to the credibility of NCRS? In the long term such errors may very well spell the demise of our organization. Many people in the field already have things to say about NCRS that . . . .

Some form of a formal change procedure needs to be established. One where facts, proven by a known standard, get into the JM. How can we get this problem addressed??

I desire to fix the problem so we all benefit.

signed Frustrated

[Patrick H.]

Re: They won't accept it, even if you do it

I think that it's floating because previous posts were deleted.

Patrick

[Patrick H.]

Re: They won't accept it, even if you do it

I think that it's floating because previous posts were deleted.

Patrick

[mike cobine]

Hey John, why did my message get deleted?

Harry, my note was deleted. That threw all of this piece on its own.

Maybe John will send me a note as to why mine was deleted.

[mike cobine]

Hey John, why did my message get deleted?

Harry, my note was deleted. That threw all of this piece on its own.

Maybe John will send me a note as to why mine was deleted.

[Joe R.]

Re: NCRS Judging and the Dump

Hi Allan:

I fully agree with your suggestion for implementing a "formal change procedure." I work in the telecom industry, and on large projects it is standard procedure to implement a formal change control process during product development. The intent is to capture important information before it falls in the cracks, and to prevent any one manager from suppressing important information about potential flaws in the product. The basic elements of such a procedure include the following:

1) A standard form, either paper or electronic, that anyone associated with the project can fill out to describe a flaw that they think needs correcting. Supporting documentation is encouraged.

2) A review committee that meets periodically to review all the submissions.

3) A requirement that the committee must take action on every submission. Allowabe actions include ACCEPTED, ACCEPTED WITH MODIFICATIONS, REJECTED, or DEFERRED FOR FURTHER STUDY.

4) A requirement that all the items that were DEFERRED FOR FURTHER STUDY must be revisited at periodic intervals.

I'm sure that the essential elements of such a process could be adapted to the maintenance of the NCRS judging manuals. The key is to get all the proposed changes duly recorded, and to have a process that ensures that every proposed change gets fair consideration within a reasonable time frame.

I would be happy to volunteer some of my time to help develop such a system if we could get such a project officially commissioned. I've only been a member of the NCRS for a few years and I don't really know my way around the organization, but I'm willing to help out.

[Joe R.]

Re: NCRS Judging and the Dump

Hi Allan:

I fully agree with your suggestion for implementing a "formal change procedure." I work in the telecom industry, and on large projects it is standard procedure to implement a formal change control process during product development. The intent is to capture important information before it falls in the cracks, and to prevent any one manager from suppressing important information about potential flaws in the product. The basic elements of such a procedure include the following:

1) A standard form, either paper or electronic, that anyone associated with the project can fill out to describe a flaw that they think needs correcting. Supporting documentation is encouraged.

2) A review committee that meets periodically to review all the submissions.

3) A requirement that the committee must take action on every submission. Allowabe actions include ACCEPTED, ACCEPTED WITH MODIFICATIONS, REJECTED, or DEFERRED FOR FURTHER STUDY.

4) A requirement that all the items that were DEFERRED FOR FURTHER STUDY must be revisited at periodic intervals.

I'm sure that the essential elements of such a process could be adapted to the maintenance of the NCRS judging manuals. The key is to get all the proposed changes duly recorded, and to have a process that ensures that every proposed change gets fair consideration within a reasonable time frame.

I would be happy to volunteer some of my time to help develop such a system if we could get such a project officially commissioned. I've only been a member of the NCRS for a few years and I don't really know my way around the organization, but I'm willing to help out.