Broken Vent Tube Bolt Repaired

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  • Kirk McHugh

    #1

    Broken Vent Tube Bolt Repaired

    For those who saw my posting a month or so ago about breaking off the vent tube bolt on my 1967 327/300HP, I just want to say - it's fixed and I did it! Here's what I learned.

    1. Patience, patience, patience and patience. For me, frustration is an issue and I needed to walk away inumerable times during the removal and just take some deep breaths (ok curse a bit too!).

    2. Planning - I thought about what I was going to do for over a month. Of course everything I planned went wrong once I started, but at least I had a plan.

    3. First, I put a piece of duct tape over the hole in the breather tube to keep drill pieces from getting into the engine.

    4. Next, I purchased an 18 inch solid extension for my drill (Sears). The type that has the hexagonal bits that fit into the end. This limited my ability to use reverse drill bits (which I purchased in the planning phase), but allowed me to drill holes in the broken screw without removing the distributor.

    5. I place a triple-folded towel over the hood frame and clamped it into place with two plastic clamps. Since I used the 18" extender bit, my drill was right at about hood frame level and I have visions of the spinning chuck digging into the fiberglass.

    6. Used a spring-loaded center punch (Sears). Punched a started hole in the broken screw end. Starting with a very small bit, I drilled a center hole in the screw making sure to use my free hand to stabilize the extender and keep it from rubbing against the distrubtor.

    7. Once I had established the center hole, I sequentially moved up to two bit sizes to enlarge the hole going down about 1/4". At this point I could insert the screw extractor I had bought (Sears).

    8. Inserted the extractor and began carefully trying to back out the screw. It move in increments and just when I thought maybe I was going to get lucky - the tip of the extractor broke off in my center hole.

    9. Back to #1 - patience, breath, swear, breath, swear, patience.

    10. Decided the only thing left to do was drill a series of small holes around the broken extractor tip in hopes of freeing it up, getting it out, and continuing to drill down the center of the broken bolt.

    11. Drilled 6-8 small holes around the broken extractor tip. Whenever the small bits caught the extractor bit they would spark and break. I broke all five of the small bits in my set. Trying to drill down on the extractor bit with a larger bit only resulted in the larger bit chipping or breaking off their ends.

    12. Moved on to a center punch and small screw driver to knock down the ridges between the drilled holes in an effort to free up the broken extractor tip.

    13. I forgot to mention that after each drilling session, I used a vacuum cleaner with a cardboard tube rolled into a cone on the end to vacuum out the debris. This worked really well and the cardboard tube kept me from chipping paint on the engine.

    14. At this point after the last vacuuming, I checked and the broken extractor tip was now gone. I worked with some small picks to try and chip out pieces of the screw and this worked to some degree. Then vacuum again and check progress.

    15. Finally, using the original screw as a guide, I choose a drill bit 1-2 sizes smaller, took a deep breath and went right down the center. That definitely removed a lot of the screw, but it was still there.

    16. Moved up 1 bit size, repeat, vacuum, and check.

    17. Moved up 1 size again, and bing the bit gave way into the hole and jammed. Reversed it out, and I must admit panicked thinking I had drilled all the way through the engine block because a black oily substance was on the drill bit. Carefully checked the breath screw hole and it still had a bottom so the engine was ok (dumb thought I know, but still). Realized at this point that what I was seeing was the easy out stuff I had placed on the screw for the past month in hopes of lossening it up for removal. Clearly, some of it had seaped past the screw threads into the hole.

    18. I got one of my small picks out (Sears by the way - set of four) and started digging around the hole because it really was starting to look like most of the screw was gone. As I picked around the outer edge of the hole a perfect thin-walled cylinder with threads broke away from the sides of the wall and crumpled into the bottom of the screw hole. A few jabs to bust it up, vacuum and voila, it was gone.

    19. THIS IS WHEN THE MIRACLE HAPPENED, THE SKIES OPENED, AND I HEARD A CHORUS OF ANGELS SAY - YOU SHALL HAVE YOUR BREATHER TUBE SCREW HOLE BACK, BUT NEVER BE SO DUMB AGAIN!

    20. I took the breather tube screw, placed it in the hole, it caught and screwed in. Needed to clean a bit of additional debris as the threads knocked out some stuff - but the screw held. I had clearly buggered the very top of the hole a bit, but the threads further down the were just fine.

    21. On this forum, I will admit for all to read, I stepped back from the car, sat down on the 10° freezing cold garage floor, and cried - tears of joy, but tears none the less. 3 1/2 hours of careful drilling and patience had payed off. Mounted the breather tube, screwed it in place and walked away. Thought about going back for one more twist on that screw at one point, but then I remembered the ANGELS - NEVER BE SO DUMB AGAIN! I put the wrench down went in the house, got the keys and fired her up for the first time in 5-6 weeks. Let her warm up for 30 minutes, went in the house, and thanked my lucky stars.

    22. Sometimes, even newbies get lucky!
  • Wayne W.
    Extremely Frequent Poster
    • May 1, 1982
    • 3605

    #2
    Re: Broken Vent Tube Bolt Repaired

    Duct tape would have been much easier.

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    • Geoff C.
      Expired
      • June 1, 1979
      • 1613

      #3
      Pheeeeew. You had me on the edge of my seat

      I always like a Happy Ending.

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      • Wayne K.
        Expired
        • December 1, 1999
        • 1030

        #4
        Congrats on your success and I .....

        enjoyed reading your story. Thanks for taking the time to share. Many times advise is given on this board but we don't hear back as to the outcome.

        Wayne

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        • Mike E.
          Extremely Frequent Poster
          • March 1, 1975
          • 5068

          #5
          Re: Congrats on your success and I .....

          I had the identical issue about 3 years ago on a newly-rebuilt, newly-installed 62 fuelie engine. Much chagrin through the entire process--much joy and satisfaction at the victorious end!!!!!!!!

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          • Bob Psolka

            #6
            "I just love it when a plan comes together!". *NM*

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            • Terry F.
              Expired
              • October 1, 1992
              • 2061

              #7
              Re: Broken Vent Tube Bolt Repaired

              I wish I would have seen your initial post, I would have not recommended using an easy out. I hate them things. I have broken so many of them off it makes me sick. You can't drill around them either so you end up killing the threads trying to get them out. I like the hot wax method and the reverse drill bit method and the weld a nut onto it method and the grab it with vise grips if you can method and the grind a screw driver slot into it method and the drill a small hole all the way through it and inject it with penetration fluid. And above all else I use heat. You can't beat heat. It will greatly aid in moving penetration fluid around a bolt. Use enough heat and it will liquify the rust away. Glad you got it done. If you ever pull the engine, you can put an insert in there and never know it was repaired. Terry

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              • Chuck R.
                Expired
                • May 1, 1999
                • 1434

                #8
                Re: Just like hitting the lotto ain't it Kirk

                Even though on the grand scheme of things your "issue" may not have been huge, it's those little successes that give you the mechanical courage to go after those larger challenges.

                Finessing broken off of severely corroded connectors without a doubt can be the most frustrating issues you will face.

                It's right up there with chasing vacuum and electrical gremlins.

                Chuck

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                • Kirk McHugh

                  #9
                  Re: Just like hitting the lotto ain't it Kirk

                  Thanks everyone for the support. I think sometimes people forget not everyone is as mechanically proficient or has been around engines/cars their whole life. So, for me at least, it is definitely baby steps as I get the courage to work on the bigger projects. Now, I'm going to tackle replacing the alternator with a correctly numbered unit - scarey for me, but here I go!

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                  • Tracy C.
                    Expired
                    • August 1, 2003
                    • 2739

                    #10
                    you go girl....put your foot up on the bumper,

                    beat your chest and holler like Tarzan...

                    that'll teach those gremlins to stay away from your car

                    tc

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                    • Chuck R.
                      Expired
                      • May 1, 1999
                      • 1434

                      #11
                      Re: I'll tell you what Kirk

                      The best investment I made for my project was a cheap digital camera.

                      I took shots of anything and everything that had either multiple connections or multiple sequences that might easily get me turned around.

                      Unless your into detailed notes and sketches these cameras have really come down in price.

                      A quick story ......... well quick for me.

                      When I took my 68 apart, I had a small spiral note book that I used for everything I took apart. I either sketched or noted every component, sketched connections, wire colors and even noted bolt head markings if they had them.

                      About a month after I had the car completely disassembled, my brand new extra large can of Kroil fell off a shelf and landed on the nozzel jambing it open dumping it's entire contents on guess what?.......yup.

                      Evey page was oil soaked and all of my pencil sketches next went to invisible.

                      Out of fifty pages of notes, only the center of one page was ledgeble.

                      Two months of detail gone. I cried like a baby too, but for a different reason Kirk.

                      Chuck

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