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At my last flight judging I was told that the "bobbin thread" (back side) on the black carpeting edge material should be white. Is this correct? The judging guide does not have any info on this.
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Re: 67 C2 Coupe Carpet
Original carpet bindings I have observed have a white (infrequently red, end of spool?) bobbin thread.
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Re: 67 C2 Coupe Carpet
Thanks. The carpet vendors are using black thread.Comment
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Just out of wild curiosity
How many of these originals have you ever examined and found this thread?Comment
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Re: Just out of wild curiosity
I haven't found any with white thread... I don't have any original examples to look at. I have 3 sets of aftermarket carpeting, 1 set about 25 years old and 2 sets that are new, all of which have black thread.
I'm going on a judge's comments and the reply above, concerning white thread. I don't intend to change anything, just wanted to know for my next judging, if the subject comes up.Comment
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Re: Just out of wild curiosity
Geoff, maybe this question was directed at Nick above.......Comment
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Re: Just out of wild curiosity
Well, Doc with all due respect I have not counted the cars. You might be able to approximate... 15 or so years of midyear Flight and Bowtie judging at almost every regional and national event (67 class is usually full) Many chapter events, and 5+ years at Bloomington with full classes, plus every rug I could look at along the way not at events, but at resto shops, garages and car shows. How many cars does that make, Doctor? I can honestly say that on known original carpet I have only seen primarily white and infrequently red bobbin thread.
Respectful of your vast knowledge and passion for the truth, have you observed otherwise in midyear carpet? If so I would love to see the cars, or a few photos! I am always willing to learn something... Thank you.Comment
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Re: Just out of wild curiosity
Gentlemen:
I was interested in how many carpet examined were still original. Examining a relatively small sample of say just one percent of 1967 would be about 220 models. That would be an accomplishment, to examine 220 models that still had their original carpet. And realistically one percent is a small sample, but I’m not a statisticiam. I’m just playing the devils advocate.
Geoffrey CoenenComment
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Re: Just out of wild curiosity
I agree that the sample is small and most likely statistically insignificant. That might be said for all midyears that have been on the NCRS judging field. (Last estimate I heard was way less than 10% of production)I was hoping you may have had some other information to either confirm or disprove what I have seen on the few cars observed. Lacking that, what else but observation or survey data do we have to go on? If someone had original specifications, samples of original pieces, observations on their original cars, etc... That would be great information to add to our knowledge.Comment
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Re: Just out of wild curiosity
Due to the probably very small percent of original carpet cars around anymore (after didn't everyone put in new TMCS carpet in the '70s?), I think the spread of the samples would have more significance than the number.
For example, if you only saw this in 100 cars from S/N 3900 to S/N 5400, then you have no idea if it was different at other times of the year.
But if you found them in 100 cars from S/N 3900 to S/N 19000, then you could safely conclude that the thread was common throughout the year.
It is still possible that there were two vendors and you only happened to see the white thread vendor (maybe the other was the red thread), but the conclusion would still be a safe one.Comment
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Another interesting question...
Was J C Stevens (as I believe) the only supplier of OEM 67 (and all midyear carpet)? Were there secondary suppliers?
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Typo.. make that J P Stevens... *NM*
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Re: Another interesting question...
Nick, I have removed several sets of original carpet from mid years and have never seen anything but J.P. StevensDick WhittingtonComment
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We have an interior NTL...
John Kennedy, from Utah. Why not pose the questions (single vs. double colored thread on bindings + Stevens as a sole supplier) to him?Comment
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