Giving up accessories & more pic's

[Roy B.]

Lets give this discussion up it will never happen and I have never pushed for adding accessories to the JM just mentioning and showing what GM offered for your Corvette. I just bought a new C6 Corvette and in the dealer GM package there is a added folder showing all the many accessories I can add to my new Corvette.
I and Noland started SACC for just that reason and to enjoying driving our Corvette ( how many people that drive their Corvette enter NCRS judging %1 ??) I believe you can thank Noland and I for your added awards that NCRS offers , think about it ?after SACC! came your Bowtie-sportsman plus others awards and now you get (extra) points for driving to a meet! WOW

I'm now finding it less of a reason to be part of this forum, I even dropped out some while ago but came back to show I'm not personally offended but sad the way most people think here( even tho only a hand full of members go here). Only a while back the forum lost many good people that helped NCRS at it's beginning arguing over nothing in my opinion.
So I'm still deciding about this forum but not NCRS which has grown and is a great organization as is SACC. Just getting vary tired of politics and the closed minds I find here!

I see more and more people that were with NCRS from the start are gone or have vary little to do with it.I'm not upset but SAD for NCRS and future young members
It's hard for me to be some NCRS politicaly correct person so I may leave sooner.

[John S.]

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hang in there roy..i love ur pics and accessories even tho i hardly respond..i still like ncrs but i also like ur inputs please keep it up thanx john

[Kirk McHugh]

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Stay with us Roy. I think the majority of us love what you post. I sure do. To me, this forum AND the NCRS should be about the inclusion of all people who enjoy vettes. Compromise and respect would go a long way here! So here goes!

Possible solution if you would like to include accessories:

Give up to a certain number of bonus points for original GM accessories if included in the car when judged. That way it would encourage people to include them from time to time so that everyone attending the show could see them including the judges. Let the governing board of the NCRS JM determine what would be a fair number of points to give, and how many accessories they would permit. So let's say 2 points/accessory (1 point for original item/1 point for original box) with a maximum limit of 5 accessories/judged vette for a potential of 10 additonal points (this is just an example). That lets everyone in the game. I agree somewhat with Roy, if the accessories are period GM accessories that's pretty cool! So, if I can get bonus points for driving my car to the show, why not let people get bonus points for having some cool original GM accessories in their car. I would love to see a judged vette with curb feelers and a spot light! Especially if they both actually worked!!!!!

The thing I think is funniest in all of this, is we all know the first thing you thought/did when you got one of these cars - what can I change to make it go FASTER (to beat the other guy on the road) and look even BETTER (usually to attract the attention of the fairer sex)?! That was beauty of owning a muscle car!!!! IT WAS FUN!

[William L.]

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Roy
You are so right, it's the politics and closed minds that are killing us. I hope you hang in there. I have enjoyed your post's and learned much from you. Thank's Bill

[Larry S.]

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Roy, I'm a very new member here, but your posts and your pictures are the most interesting thing for me. When I log in, the first thing I do is scan for a post from you. Sure, I can learn a lot of valuable tech info from other posts, but your posts are what make it fun. I don't know your complaints, and I'm sure they must be legitimate. However, I hope you hang in here.

[Bud K.]

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Oh bugger! I don't post much but feel inclined to do so here. There is room here for everyone, their opinions AND egos. This is just a forum for discussing Corvettes. Most are NCRS correct, many are not - there's still room!

How's the arm going. You will be in rehab and out in no time at all.

Bud.

[Joe T.]

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Mr.Braatz:
I am a PROUD owner of a 1969 non-numbers matching Corvette that I am restoring as best I can, a project I could not do with the help and support of this membership . All the members here have been nothing but the kindest to me, a relative "newbie". I have seen some of the comments that have driven other members to be silent or abandon this board completely and I am at a loss to understand why some feel compelled to publish less than complimentary remarks about ANYTHING posted here. It doesn't speak well for respect or gratitude. I generally come to the board for technical assistance or to try to contribute, I am sure most of the members are in that vein. A loss of a member of your stature and knowledge will diminish the value of this board. Speaking selfishly, I don't want to be "cheated" (sorry if that's a poor choice of words) of anyone's knowledge because of someone elses impatience of what might be posted. Plain and simple: If someone's not interested in a subject thread, there are other threads! I don't get it. Sorry for this tedious post but I hope you are deciding to remain and just try to tolerate those with no tolerance? deepest regards...Joe

PS: (yes, there's more) I wish I had spoken out earlier when another valued member decided his time was too valuable to suffer abuse...jt

[Mike Barnard Sr No 36249]

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Roy Don't give up. I echo the other responder's. I look forward to your pic.s and posts. To me there is more to this hobby than having the perfect car. These big boy toys are for having fun keeping running and to enjoy. Most of your accessories are far more rare and valuble than a lot of NOS stuff I see for sale IMHO. Please keep posting and get your arm back in shape.

[Dennis C.]

Roy, The martyr pitch is wearing thin. Best, DC *NM*

[Mike M.]

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" i believe you can thank Noland and I for your added awards that NCRS offers" i'm certain the "extra points you get for driving to a meet" DID NOT occur after you and Noland and countless others created the solid axle clubs, both of which i belong to. Rather, driving bonus points have been around since the early 80's. as far as SACC being responsible for the Bowtie judging class, no way. Dennis Clark , along with John Amgwert and a few others, conceptualized the Bowtie award, not you or Noland both of whom i respect.mike

[Don H.]

Re: Roy, The martyr pitch is wearing thin. Best, D

Ditto Dennis & Mike. Don H.

[Roy B.]

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I dint mean to implie Noland and I were responsible for those added awards, only that at the time in the 80's people asked why start the SACC and that may have helped influenced the decision to add them., sorry for not explaining that better my words dont always mean what I'm trying to say.So I stand corrected

[Chuck S.]

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Roy, somehow many have interpreted our last disagreement as my "political correctness", or as my wanting to repress what you post here...that's absolute rubbish.

We simply have a disagreement about how judging points should be awarded, and I don't expect to change my thinking. I would rather see all the bonus points disappear completely if it's going to mean that NCRS is distracted from it's founding mission by other Corvette related material.

It's clear to me that meeting to judge Corvettes has always been the primary commitment of NCRS; long-time members may have first met at these meetings, enjoyed comaraderie that surrounded the events, and developed personal and business relationships outside of NCRS, but judging the cars as they were delivered to the customer, and training the membership in how to restore and judge these cars is how NCRS spends 85 percent or more of its meeting time.

I have personally tried to pick you up off the ground after a couple of these self-pity sessions...I have dusted you off, and patted you on the back, but nobody remembers that. I have encouraged you to post about your accessory collection, and have never said "jack" about it's presence here. But...when you begin suggesting that your interests outside of the cars needs to get recognized in the judging process, then you're crossing the line and I'm going to disagree.

There's no need to take this personal...we simply disagree...it doesn't change my opinion of you or your previous contributions to this organization. In fact, unless you are "burned out" on the judging of C1s, you should be get re-involved in the judging scene. I sure you have much to be contributed in this generation class that never seemed to be as well documented as the later ones in my opinion.

For those that think NCRS should be more "fun", I ask, "Has your definition of 'fun' changed since you joined up?". As long as I've been a member, NCRS has always been this way...the "fun" was knowing how to restore a car just like it was when it rolled off the St. Louis line, helping the guy next to you learn how to restore his car and drive it to a future meet, so you can look it over (judge it) and tell him how well he learned; or, see an beautiful example of an original unmolested car and learn something yourself.

Your personal relationships with other members and the social activity you engage in is your personal responsibility in the NCRS, and it takes time to begin fitting in outside the official activities...it's not easy and I've been there; in fact, I still find myself there. Anyone thinking NCRS should be focused on "fun" social activities was really looking for a local Corvette club when they signed up. JMHO.

[Ronnie Robertson # 36786]

Roy,

I also have thoroughly enjoyed your posts. As to whether NCRS promotes "fun", I have serious doubts. My vacation was scheduled so we could attend our first NCRS event. Upon arriving (and lacking knowledge of proper NCRS protocol), my wife and I were casually viewing the cars. Promptly, I was challenged as to my NCRS membership, why I was not wearing NCRS ID, and "Had I Paid" at the registration table?
That wasn't much "fun" for me, but the man asking the questions seemed to be enjoying himself. We thanked him for his advice and continued our vacation elsewhere.
As to judging, sometimes I wonder the real purpose. Originality, As delivered, As proposed to be delivered, as meant to be assembled- who really knows. Probably even Nolan Adams had doubts. Personally, I just like Corvettes, especially midyear coupes. My philosophy, simply suit yourself. I guess Sportsman is my favorite category. Cars people drive because they like them, not because the bumper bolts are "NOS" and they are "First Flight".
So Roy and all, Life's very short. And Corvettes are just cars. Have FUN. Your friends may drive them to your funeral, but you won't be there to enjoy them!

[Roy B.]

Re: Giving up accessories "chuck

I don't know how a simple question turned into me wonting to change the JM or others getting jumped on because of what they wrote telling me what they thought. Let me try one more time =
1. I only asked if it would be neat to see a GM fire extinguisher then a pep-boys for {display} (working or not) along side with a new one for safety! Not to include it for any judging points,because other things are on display like dealer tags hanging from dash items.
That's it nothing more!!
2 I don't answer replies using any disrespectful words to put any one down or in e-mail I get, I think I can read between the lines good or bad. My words don't always come out right or mean what I meant to say .
Look Mike Mccagh #14 corrected me on what I said in my last post and he was right and others that may jump on me it's their right to express their opinion and if their right I say I'm sorry and if not I don't answer putting them down.
Chuck! Now you know how I feel when people take me wrong, to disagree is OK but I don't hold any bad feelings.

I see it happen here many times people can read the same book and at the same time have five different opinions about the same book and give a response of ( your stupid, go to some other forum,feeling sorry for your self, name calling and so on.) Welcome to the real world!!