Rule Violations

[Jack H.]

Probably the most frequently violated club rule is that of Flight Score disclosure. Right now there are several threads on the DB where folks talk about how this/that car scored in its Flight Judging. Also, our Restorer magazine editor writes, "None-the-less, the car still scored almost 97 points (and a Top Flight award) the first time out." which comes pretty close to being a public disclosure of the car's Flight Score!

From the NCRS Judging Reference Manual, Section 5, Rule 20, Awards Not Allowed:

"....The compilation of numerical socres are for NCRS records and use only and are never to be announced, published or shared."

I believe the reason we have this rule to enhance the club concept that cars compete against our judging standards and NOT against each other. The fact that my Top Flight award was x.x% higher than your car's score is what the rule tries to preclude.

Unfortunately, MANY club members skirt this and we see frequently see ads in various newspapers (I've even seen them in Driveline) where public disclosure IS made regarding a given car's Flight Score. My 'sound off' on this is while we can't control what's published outside the club (other than to discipline members), we can control what we do/say within the club.

I think we either need to police/enforce this club rule OR revise the NCRS Judging Reference Manual and eliminate it. What do you think? For those of you who weren't aware of the rule, this is an FYI comment.

[Pat M.]

Re: Rule Violations

Jack - I was not aware of this rule, but arguably people disclose their score not to compete against another car, but rather to show how close their car came to meeting the ideal judging standards.

If that is the case, I don't see the harm in allowing members to disclose their score, but I don't feel stongly one way or another.

Patrick Moresi #45581

[Kent K.]

Re: Rule Violations

Jack,

I'm sorry. This must be a fairly recent change in, or interpretation of, the rules. It used to be that scores were not to be posted or announced when awards were presented. NCRS would not disclose the points of judged cars either during or after the judging event. However, my understanding of the OLD rule, was that there was nothing that prevented the owner from discussing his/her score with another NCRS member. If my understanding needs updating, so be it.

Regards,
Kent Keech

[Warren F.]

Re: Rule Violations

Jack,

Your subject matter is interesting. I was not aware of this rule either, however I have never gotten the NCRS Judging book, which is where I suppose this information is printed.

Personally, I don't care whether someone knows what my car achieved percentage wise or not. The judging process is not complete enough to give creditability as to correctness to any car, except maybe Bowtie judging, which really should be the standard by which all cars are judged.

[Patrick H.]

Re: Rule Violations

Warren,

Bowtie Judging is the one event where the judging sheets are NOT returned to the owner. So, even though from my own car I can recall relatively well how my car scored percentage-wise, I can't quote it to you accurately. The threshold is 80-85%, lower than for a Top Flight.

I don't mind disclosing my own car's scores, as it helps people understand that a car can score well in two arenas of NCRS judging and not be the "perfect" trailer queen that everyone expects.

Patrick

[Chris Patrick]

Re: Rule Violations

but rather to show how close their car came to meeting the ideal judging standards.

I think it is used more often to enhance the value of the car being sold. Some discussing it here on this forum may not be doing that, but those on eBay and the various auctions definitely are.

[Gary B.]

"scores are ... never to be ... shared." Nuts!

Jack,

If that text is complete and accurate, then I think the rule is nutty. Technically, it would mean that I couldn't share the score my car gets with my brother or my wife or whomever. I don't know what the intent was of the writer of that rule, but IMO they didn't think it through carefully. My view is that the score that my car gets is mine to do with as I please. I see no problem with someone selling a car and telling the buyer it got a 97% during NCRS Flight judging on a particular date.

Gary

[Dennis C.]

Jack, I don't know why you got wound up...

...on this issue, but the fact is, Kent Keech has it pretty much right... We don't announce or compare scores at the awards banquet or in The Driveline or in The Restorer. We all compete against the NCRS Judging Standard, not each other. There is no "best of show", "highest scoring car", etc.

Now, if I want to tell my next door neighbor I scored a 96, so be it. And I can advertise that in The Driveline if I'm attempting to sell my car.

Bottom line - it is not a competitive event, so we don't compare scores at the event.

I seldom, if ever, have seen where this rule/policy has been violated.

Peace, Bro...

[Peter L.]

Re: Judging Scores & Stories

I've alway treated Judging scores like stories about hunting, fishing, school grades, and golf scores, etc. It's just hard to tell where the truth lies. Pete