Hey Joe label ? C3

[Denny J.]

Joe
Labels used on air cleaners,doors windows...Had to be out sorced yes?
Maybe on a roll and the guy on the line pealed one off stuck it to the car?
Now on the engine starting procdure sticker on the driver side vizor was that made by Avery?
Do you think it was like a pad of paper just rip one off remove backing and place it ?
What is your thoughts on this? Denny72

[Joe L.]

Re: Hey Joe label ? C3

denny-----

I'm quite sure that the vast majority, if not every, label or decal used in PRODUCTION was supplied by an outside vendor to GM. Just who those suppliers were, I do not know. However, I would expect that most of them would be the kind of companies that don't have well-known names.

I'm sure the label you are referring to was a self-adhesive-type of thing---a backing paper was removed and the label applied. The exact format (single sheets, strips, roll) I have no idea.

[John H.]

Re: Hey Joe label ? C3

Virtually all adhesive-backed labels used in production were supplied in roll form, and the rolls were hung on a rod on a line-side bench.

[Phil P.]

Re: Hey Joe label ? C3

out side vendors were usually owned or controlled by the head honcho's of the company that they were supplying---most evident in specialty parts etc---this was the norm in aero space so as to compensate the higher ups in the corp---today you see huge ceo compensation instead which is making headlines today---JMHO and witnessed it in the aero space industry---phil

[Stephen L.]

Re: Hey Joe label ? C3

A couple of years ago, at the Florida regionals, I was told by a couple of judges(but not convinced) that the "#1 Tonawanda" sticker was applied to the valve cover on the 427 BEFORE the engine was painted. Who would apply a sticker and then mask it for painting??????? Supposedly they peeled the sticker slightly and found bare metal.

The engine yellow ID stickers were applied after painting which makes sense.

Any thoughts????

[Kent K.]

Re: Hey Joe label ? C3

Steve,

I will never profess to know as much or research as closely as Joe. My personal opinion is that the paint came first and then stickers followed later. GM is NOT going to SPEND MONEY having someone mask items in preparation for paint if they can simply be applied following paint operations.

Regards,
Kent Keech

[Joe L.]

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Kent and Steve------

Those Tonawanda big block valve cover labels were, indeed, applied before painting. They were a THREE part label-----the peel-off backing, the label, and a protective cover which was subsequently peeled off after engine painting to reveal the label beneath. Why it was done this way, I have no idea. I believe the labels were in rolls, just as John described.

Quite frankly, I once doubted this sort of label configuration myself. However, after I saw some original, unused GM labels (from a roll), I became a believer.

[Terry M.]

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I too have seen those Tonawanda 3-part labels. Believe it.

[Mark D.]

Original Label *NM*

[Mark D.]

Re: Original Label *NM*

[Terry M.]

Re: Original Label

There is also a size difference between the original and reproduction Tonawanda labels. I believe the reproduction labels are slightly smaller than the originals.

[Kent K.]

OK, I'm a believer, but on chrome ...

valve covers, I'll bet a frog skin the label was applied after chroming. LOL
Regards,
Kent Keech

P.S. It still dosen't make much sense to label, paint and uncover the label.

[Stephen L.]

Re: Original Label

I would have never "thunked it". Thanks for the photos

[Stephen L.]

Re: Original Label

After studying your photos of the BB sticker, I'm wondering if the sticker is a base of clear film with adhesive on one side and the printing on the other.

The front side photo doesn't appear thru the liner to be a "shiny silvery surface" with printing on it.

When an original is applied to a fresh metal (no paint) valve cover it gave the illusion that the base film was "metalized" and therefore, the repro's are done on a shiny "chrome" surface to duplicate that.

Am I correct?????

[Mark D.]

Re: Original Label

Steve,

Very logical thinking, however, it is the PIC that makes it appear that way. The 'up' side does, in fact, have the mirror like finish. I have included a PIC of an original applied to the valve cover of my 69 Corvette. I know, I know, there is a lot of dust but I think it shows the contrast between the chrome and the foil label. I have also inluded a PIC with night framing that makes the font more clear. In this PIC you can see that Terry is correct, there are definite differences between the originals and the reproductions. If anyone has a reproduction not yet attached, take a few moments to compare and you will see more and more differences as you study them.

Regards,

Mark