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While the drawing could be a tad clearer...
Flip to UPC 12, Sheet 5, in your copy of the AIM. You should see a pretty clear picture of the battery being installed on the battery tray with shield, clips, and relative cable placement.
The positive cable is on the outboard side (toward the fender) wrapping back through holding clip to the Bat terminal on the starter solenoid. The negative cable in on the inboard side (toward the engine) routing down to where it bolts to the starter's case at the junction of the starter to the bellhousing. -
While the drawing could be a tad clearer...
Flip to UPC 12, Sheet 5, in your copy of the AIM. You should see a pretty clear picture of the battery being installed on the battery tray with shield, clips, and relative cable placement.
The positive cable is on the outboard side (toward the fender) wrapping back through holding clip to the Bat terminal on the starter solenoid. The negative cable in on the inboard side (toward the engine) routing down to where it bolts to the starter's case at the junction of the starter to the bellhousing.Comment
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Re: 1962 Battery Placement Orientation
Hi John on my '62 Powerglide negative post towards centerline of car with cable on bottom bolt that attaches trans to block.Comment
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Re: 1962 Battery Placement Orientation
Hi John on my '62 Powerglide negative post towards centerline of car with cable on bottom bolt that attaches trans to block.Comment
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Three entries that are trying to make something
into something tough. lst, forget the judging guide and go to the AIM. If you don't have one, that was your first sin of omission. Then we have "bolts to the starter's case at the junction of the starter to the bellhousing";
if that were true, you would immediately TILT the starter in its realtion to the flywheel; it mounts on the bellhousing side of the outboard bolt that mounts the starter.
Then "bottom bolt that attaches the transmission to the block"; there is NOTHING that attaches the transmission to the BLOCK - it attaches to the bellhousing bolt to the starter - if it attached as stated, the cable would be 6" longer.
The simple answer is in the old parts books : #2968083 is a GROUND STRAP that measures 23" center to center; #2979911 is a POSITIVE CABLE that bolts to the solenoid and measures 25" center to center ......
....ie, the outboard side of the battery.Comment
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Three entries that are trying to make something
into something tough. lst, forget the judging guide and go to the AIM. If you don't have one, that was your first sin of omission. Then we have "bolts to the starter's case at the junction of the starter to the bellhousing";
if that were true, you would immediately TILT the starter in its realtion to the flywheel; it mounts on the bellhousing side of the outboard bolt that mounts the starter.
Then "bottom bolt that attaches the transmission to the block"; there is NOTHING that attaches the transmission to the BLOCK - it attaches to the bellhousing bolt to the starter - if it attached as stated, the cable would be 6" longer.
The simple answer is in the old parts books : #2968083 is a GROUND STRAP that measures 23" center to center; #2979911 is a POSITIVE CABLE that bolts to the solenoid and measures 25" center to center ......
....ie, the outboard side of the battery.Comment
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Re: Three entries that are trying to make somethin
On my "Powerglide" car the starter doesn't bolt to the "Bellhousing".Comment
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Re: Three entries that are trying to make somethin
On my "Powerglide" car the starter doesn't bolt to the "Bellhousing".Comment
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Re: Three entries that are trying to make somethin
Comments here specific to this text...
Then we have "bolts to the starter's case at the junction of the starter to the bellhousing";
if that were true, you would immediately TILT the starter in its realtion to the flywheel; it mounts on the bellhousing side of the outboard bolt that mounts the starter.
We both agree using the AIM helps. I cited UPC 12, Sheet 5. Note the terminology used for the negative battery cable is 'strap' and the pictorial shows it connecting to the starter mounting bolt on the forward side of the starter mounting flange. There's also a note on the AIM page that reads "Held in place by starter motor attaching parts" and the pictorial shows several such bolts with one being inserted from rear side of the bellhousing. That would be the one Loren refers to.
Now, I agree with Loren that you do NOT install the negative cable or 'strap' in between the bellhousing and the starter as that would 'shim' the starter with respect to the flywheel. But, I didn't say to 'sandwich' the cable...
Last, we know AIM pictorials aren't always accurate (intended for GM internal communication and often 'approximate' in their precision). But, flip to UPC 6, Sheet 4 where the starter motor is being installed on the engine.
Note the backside starter mounting bolt Loren refers to called out as PN 122168 and there's no mention of the battery negative cable. Contrast that to the front side, outer, starter mounting bolt I'd mentioned that bears a note to the effect "Also attaches ground strap".
Hey, have we whipped the dead horse sufficiently????Comment
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Re: Three entries that are trying to make somethin
Comments here specific to this text...
Then we have "bolts to the starter's case at the junction of the starter to the bellhousing";
if that were true, you would immediately TILT the starter in its realtion to the flywheel; it mounts on the bellhousing side of the outboard bolt that mounts the starter.
We both agree using the AIM helps. I cited UPC 12, Sheet 5. Note the terminology used for the negative battery cable is 'strap' and the pictorial shows it connecting to the starter mounting bolt on the forward side of the starter mounting flange. There's also a note on the AIM page that reads "Held in place by starter motor attaching parts" and the pictorial shows several such bolts with one being inserted from rear side of the bellhousing. That would be the one Loren refers to.
Now, I agree with Loren that you do NOT install the negative cable or 'strap' in between the bellhousing and the starter as that would 'shim' the starter with respect to the flywheel. But, I didn't say to 'sandwich' the cable...
Last, we know AIM pictorials aren't always accurate (intended for GM internal communication and often 'approximate' in their precision). But, flip to UPC 6, Sheet 4 where the starter motor is being installed on the engine.
Note the backside starter mounting bolt Loren refers to called out as PN 122168 and there's no mention of the battery negative cable. Contrast that to the front side, outer, starter mounting bolt I'd mentioned that bears a note to the effect "Also attaches ground strap".
Hey, have we whipped the dead horse sufficiently????Comment
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Re: Three entries that are trying to make somethin
Yes we haveComment
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Re: Three entries that are trying to make somethin
Yes we haveComment
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Re: Three entries that are trying to make somethin
Sorry, but my horse isn't dead yet and I must not understand what is being said. Am I wrong or is the powerglide starter a different configuration than starters used on cars with manual transmissions. The 1107242 starter mounts with two bolts (the bolts are positioned vertically) to the block vs. a manual transmision starter which mounts with three bolts to the bell housing. The powerglide starter configuration is also shown in the aim. Jack & Loren, aren't you describing the manual version? Thsnks.
RickComment
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Re: Three entries that are trying to make somethin
Sorry, but my horse isn't dead yet and I must not understand what is being said. Am I wrong or is the powerglide starter a different configuration than starters used on cars with manual transmissions. The 1107242 starter mounts with two bolts (the bolts are positioned vertically) to the block vs. a manual transmision starter which mounts with three bolts to the bell housing. The powerglide starter configuration is also shown in the aim. Jack & Loren, aren't you describing the manual version? Thsnks.
RickComment
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