65-66 knockoff wheels

[Darren P.]

purchased a set of original kelsey hayes and am curious how to decipher the actual date codes on the back and also how much if any point deduction is it if the spinners are not original? thanks! darren

[John H.]

Re: 65-66 knockoff wheels

Darren -

The KO spinners (all four) are allocated ten originality points; a "configuration" deduction might be two points.

[Wayne M.]

Re: 65-66 knockoff wheels (code stamp; judging)

Stamped codes are (probably) Alpha = shift ?; digits: month_day_year. I say this based on an original set of 5 which are almost certainly off '66 # 13162, produced somewhere about the first 8 days of Feb 1966. Two are stamped B_1_3_66 and the other three are B_1_4_66.

My reading of the '65 TIM&JG and the scoring sheets is that the KO wheels and KO spinners are judged separately. If your wheels are perfect, you'd get zero deductions out of 30 points "originality" and 25 points "condition", in Flight judging.

As for the spinners, a full deduct would result in 10 points loss for originality and 10 points on condition. There is no guidelines given specifically for repro spinners (or wheels) in the TIM. But my WAG is that if the spinners APPEARED original before getting behind the ears with a mirror, then the rules of Judging Reference Manual Section 4 Deduction Guidelines, Para. # 7 Reproduction Parts, would apply.

to quote: "Reproduction parts, correct and indiscernible from original as installed, will receive no originality deduction, even though a judge may know, or think he knows, they are not original components. .... Any originality deductions for repro parts must be made because of discernible differences from original. .... the deduction is to be made based not on the fact that it is a reproduction component, but on what percentage it deviates from an original item. For current quality repro parts, the orignality deduction will typically range from zero % to 50%.

Then, in condition scoring, you should not be subject to a double-deduct on aspects that have already been hit in originality.

[Darren P.]

Re: 65-66 knockoff wheels

thanks wayne! I just discovered that three of the wheels have date codes of some sort the other two do not. they all have the correct casting # but I am concerned about the date codes being inconsistent or none at all? any ideas anyone? A117 5, D1S6 65, B 65, that is how the date codes actually read on the three that have them. these are 65? are they a good set to have?