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seems now more than ever the trim tag issue is more sticky than ever. had a couple of large dealers tell me that they will not even consider cars with changed trim tags whereas in the past they have, something about state registry problems? do not have a midyear currently but want to be more careful if I buy one. thanks in advance for the replies
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Good point ! Now that they repro everything you can think of from paper work, Tim tags , parts and on and on . Makes one nervous even thinking of buying any Corvette, C1 so so but C2's look out!!. -
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It just goes to show you that you that if you want a solid investment in a mid-year... your best bet is to buy one with an AUTHENTIC FULL PEDIGREE. All Past owners, or representatives written, signed and sworn statements. Warranty Card, and or protecto plate information, and tank sheet. Possible window sticker or dealer invoice... pictures from 40 years ago.... On top of the paper work, you'd better bring your Friendly NCRS judge with you when you go to investigate a car and its pedigree for purchase....
One thing I have noticed... is that the more fake 427 Cars there are out there, seems like the more expensive the actual real ones are getting!
Happy Holidays!
Jacob
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Re: repro trim tags
Darren -
Has nothing to do with state registry problems - the trim tag isn't the legal descriptor for the car - only the VIN plate is. It has to do with folks now being able to spot fake C2 trim tags, thanks to the "Trim Tag Book".Comment
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Hi Darren:
Since the publication of the trim tag authentication book by Al Grenning and Roy Sinor, it is pretty easy for anyone to detect a reproduction trim tag by using only modest magnification. If you are in the market for a C2, you should carefully review this book. A car with a reproduction trim tag is automatically disqualified from achieving a Top Flight.
If you are interested in NCRS judging, getting a car with a reproduction trim tag is probably the most significant mistake you can make. Even a non-original engine can be replaced with a "restoration engine," but for an NCRS Top Flight you must have an original trim tag.
This has led to a secondary market in original trim tags, but finding an original trim tag that is appropriate for a given car is very difficult. In addition, using an original trim tag from another car will not sit well with most NCRS judges, while installing a "restoration engine" is officially okay. The difference has to do with "restoring a car to its original configuration" versus "building a fake car" that is not configured the way it left the factory.
I'm sure there are lots of opinions on this issue, but as a buyer who is simply shopping for a C2, you should probably avoid cars with reproduction trim tags unless you can secure a discounted price and you do not intend to have the car judged.Comment
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Remember like many early repro parts that one could tell was not original , (give it time) and trim tags ,ID tags, paper work , you name it ,they will be perfect. The best saying I ever heard to explain many things is to ( follow the money).Comment
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How to the
tags from AG Backeast stack up? He seems to take great pride in his work, and will work with you to get things "right".
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How to the
tags from AG Backeast stack up? He seems to take great pride in his work, and will work with you to get things "right".
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Re: How to the NOT
Dave I know there is someone that changes the numbers on orig tags and that is the best way because the tag is real and your only changing paint or trim #s the rest of the tag is orig, if a person is not too up on this, it could get by the average guy, but if your know what your looking at and there are more and more people all the time getting as good at these tags, as good as Al G. is at engine pads. But there is NO WAY a repro tag is gettin by, bet the ranch. Phil 8063Comment
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Dave I know there is someone that changes the numbers on orig tags and that is the best way because the tag is real and your only changing paint or trim #s the rest of the tag is orig, if a person is not too up on this, it could get by the average guy, but if your know what your looking at and there are more and more people all the time getting as good at these tags, as good as Al G. is at engine pads. But there is NO WAY a repro tag is gettin by, bet the ranch. Phil 8063Comment
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Hi Dave:
I agree with Phil that there is no way that a repro tag can get by a judge who is familiar with the Grenning/Sinor book.
I had not heard of the notion of changing the numbers on an otherwise original tag, but that might get by some judges. When I check a trim tag to determine if it is an original, I usually look for certain signature characteristics in the "BODY BY CHEVROLET" text at the bottom, and do not spend much time studying the physical appearance of the code stampings under magnification. Next time I will look more closely at the code stampings too.....Comment
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Re: How to the
Hi Dave:
I agree with Phil that there is no way that a repro tag can get by a judge who is familiar with the Grenning/Sinor book.
I had not heard of the notion of changing the numbers on an otherwise original tag, but that might get by some judges. When I check a trim tag to determine if it is an original, I usually look for certain signature characteristics in the "BODY BY CHEVROLET" text at the bottom, and do not spend much time studying the physical appearance of the code stampings under magnification. Next time I will look more closely at the code stampings too.....Comment
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Re: repro trim tags
Sometimes people think you are talking about the VIN tag instead of TRIM TAG. Maybe that is the whoop-la. TerryComment
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Re: repro trim tags
Sometimes people think you are talking about the VIN tag instead of TRIM TAG. Maybe that is the whoop-la. TerryComment
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The Corvette is unique in that the trim tag isn't painted, so the fine details can be observed. Fake trim tags are RAMPANT in the '67-'69 Camaro hobby - our CRG (Camaro Research Group, www.camaros.org) routinely spots fake trim tags (even when they're painted, as they were originally) on about 30% of the '67-'69 Camaros for sale on-line, especially if they're advertised as SS, RS, or Z/28's, where the prices have skyrocketed in the last three years.Comment
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