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  • Michael G.
    Very Frequent User
    • March 2, 2008
    • 485

    "The New Guy"

    Would someone please tell me what this "AIM" is that you guys refer to so often and why I don't have one. It sound like a GOTTAHAVIT for an old corvette owner.

    Thanks'

    Mike
  • John H.
    Beyond Control Poster
    • December 1, 1997
    • 16513

    #2
    Re: "The New Guy"

    Mike -

    That's the Assembly Instruction Manual - available for each year Corvette at the on-line NCRS store - button at the top of the page.

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    • Martin N.
      Expired
      • July 30, 2007
      • 594

      #3
      Re: "The New Guy"

      MIKE

      Welcome aboard and enjoy the ride.

      AIM = Assembly Instruction Manual. Our bible. Avaiable for each year of Corvette producded. Although sometimes more than 1 year is covered in a given manual, I believe.

      I believe NCRS gift shop has them.

      Marty

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      • Joe L.
        Beyond Control Poster
        • February 1, 1988
        • 43193

        #4
        Re: "The New Guy"

        Marty and Mike-----

        The AIM is available for each year Corvette THROUGH THE 1982 MODEL YEAR. I don't think that any are currently available for any subsequent model year. From what I've been told, the C4 versions are voluminous. That doesn't surprise me, either, since as I've mentioned many times before, the C4 Corvettes are the most complicated and content-laden Corvettes that were ever built and, likely, ever will be built.
        In Appreciation of John Hinckley

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        • Martin N.
          Expired
          • July 30, 2007
          • 594

          #5
          Re: "The New Guy"

          He's in luck Joe, he's got a 71.

          MARTY

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          • Terry M.
            Beyond Control Poster
            • September 30, 1980
            • 15573

            #6
            C4 & C6 AIM

            I have seen the AIM for some C4s, and it has another name -- but I can't recall what that is now -- I know someone will help with that even though it is not strictly on target.
            Joe -- Tell me again that the C4 is more content laden than the C5 or C6.
            Terry

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            • Joe L.
              Beyond Control Poster
              • February 1, 1988
              • 43193

              #7
              Re: C4 & C6 AIM

              Terry-----

              Way more. One of the ways that GM kept the Corvette "alive" going into the C5 era was to de-content it, greatly reducing the parts required to build it (40% less is the number that I vaguely recall). If they had gone into the C5 era with the complexity and parts content of the C4, the price of the car would have priced them out of the market.
              In Appreciation of John Hinckley

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              • Terry M.
                Beyond Control Poster
                • September 30, 1980
                • 15573

                #8
                Re: C4 & C6 AIM

                Ah, number of parts. I was thinking of complexity and features. I suppose outsourcing some of the assemblies has reduced the content as well.
                Terry

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                • Michael G.
                  Very Frequent User
                  • March 2, 2008
                  • 485

                  #9
                  Re: "The New Guy"

                  You guys are great. Maybe now I will only have to pick your brains on areas that require the vast experience you all collectivly possess. Thanks for all your help. Stay ready, I'm just getting started.

                  Mike

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                  • Patrick H.
                    Beyond Control Poster
                    • December 1, 1989
                    • 11608

                    #10
                    Re: C4 & C6 AIM

                    I recall 30% more parts in a C4, but whether 30 or 40 percent it's still way too many.
                    I think the C6 has a few less parts than the C5.

                    Patrick
                    Vice-Chairman (West), Michigan Chapter NCRS
                    71 "deer modified" coupe
                    72 5-Star Bowtie / Duntov coupe. https://www.flickr.com/photos/124695...57649252735124
                    2008 coupe
                    Available stickers: Engine suffix code, exhaust tips & mufflers, shocks, AIR diverter valve broadcast code.

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                    • Floyd B.
                      Extremely Frequent Poster
                      • November 1, 2002
                      • 1046

                      #11
                      Re: C4 & C6 AIM

                      While not strictly the same thing, in general there is a direct correlation between the number of parts and the complexity. Utilizing more parts to perform the same function also drives up the cost to build and maintain the machine. From an engineering perspective, if two mechanical devices perform the exact same function with the same result, the design that incorporates fewer parts is the superior design. Automobiles like all other machines are subject to the Second Law of Thermodynamics, also known as the law of increasing entropy. More parts = more points of failure.
                      '69 Blue/Blue L36 Vert w/ 4-Spd
                      '73 Blue/Blue L48 Coupe w/ 4-Spd
                      '96 Red/Black LT-4 Convertible
                      "Drive it like you stole it"

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                      • Floyd B.
                        Extremely Frequent Poster
                        • November 1, 2002
                        • 1046

                        #12
                        Re: "The New Guy"

                        >> ...the C4 versions are voluminous

                        Joe,

                        This statement gives me hope. This means that they exist, which only stands to reason since the plant engineers had to be working from assembly process document. Unfortunately I forgot to ask Tom Hill about this when he was standing right in front of me at the SE Regional a few weeks ago. The only thing I have found that comes close are the GM Corvette Shop Service Manuals. They have many detailed drawings but even this manual is not as good as the AIM I had when restoring my '73. Hopefully GM will someday release the AIM's (or their equivalent) to the Corvette enthusiast world.

                        -Floyd-

                        #38874
                        '69 Blue/Blue L36 Vert w/ 4-Spd
                        '73 Blue/Blue L48 Coupe w/ 4-Spd
                        '96 Red/Black LT-4 Convertible
                        "Drive it like you stole it"

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                        • Joe L.
                          Beyond Control Poster
                          • February 1, 1988
                          • 43193

                          #13
                          Re: C4 & C6 AIM

                          Terry-----

                          I think they were referring to the TOTAL number of parts in the car. Many C4 assemblies were outsourced, too. Purchasing an assembly from an outside supplier does not reduce the number of parts in the car (for example, an A/C compressor doesn't then "count" as one part if it's outsourced but a large number of parts if it's produced internally). I believe that it's a reduction in the total number of parts used in the car as far as C4 compared to C5 and C6. The overall complexity of the cars is a function of the number of parts so C4's are a lot more complex. That doesn't make C4 better, it just makes them more complex.

                          I think that what it amounts to is that during the C4 era, technology was such that the cars had to be so complex to achieve the desired result. By the time the C5 era came along, technology allowed things to be accomplished with less parts and complexity. Since the C5 and C6 had to be designed in an era when inflation had increased development and production costs so much, GM didn't have the luxury of being able to design a car as complex as the C4. If they had to do it that way, there might well not have been a C5 and the Corvette could have died. From what I've learned, it came very close to that.
                          In Appreciation of John Hinckley

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                          • Roy B.
                            Expired
                            • February 1, 1975
                            • 7044

                            #14
                            C6 AIM

                            The C6 is something I'll never have to worry about entering it in a NCRS JM, at my age , so I'll just enjoy it and drive the Sh**T out of it even tho it's one of 400 in it's combo.




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                            • Richard M.
                              Super Moderator
                              • August 31, 1988
                              • 11302

                              #15
                              Welcome

                              Welcome Mike! Lots of help here from everyone! You'll be happy you joined in!
                              Rich

                              ps- Roy, Next time have her take the shot with you in the car! You'd look better sitting behind the wheel!:-)
                              pps- Nice riiiiiide!(nice shirt too!)

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