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  • Chuck S.
    Expired
    • April 1, 1992
    • 4668

    #16
    Re: 69 Vette bonding material

    Since Fusor is a two part adhesive, Fusor adhesives come packaged in a double barrel "syringe" that uses a special gun that moves both plungers at the same rate. A mixing nozzle attaches to the syringe where the two barrels come together. Fusor adhesives come in two sizes...300cc and 50cc; the gun for the 300cc container looks like a modified calking gun. Three hundred cc looks like two parallel cylinders about 1" in diameter and about 7" long.

    A 300cc tube of Fusor 100EZ will cost you about $40, the gun to mix it another $45-$50. You'll receive a couple of mixing nozzles with the adhesive. The polyester adhesive will probably cost little more than half that. I know the prices because I just bought the materials to make an SMC repair. Fusor 100EZ is a heat set material, so you would also need a heat gun or lamp to heat it to 180 degrees.

    If you are thinking of buying the Fusor adhesive, then squeezing it out in equal portions, mixing it, and loading it into another syringe...I think you would be better off to just buy the polyester adhesive, mix it, and squeeze it up into (maybe on top of) the joint using a large piece of brown paper rolled into a cake icing cone. You can apply a little hydraulic force with a putty knife to ensure the adhesive goes up into the joint.

    Don't make the mistake of thinking that "old-timey" polyester adhesives are inferior to modern adhesives for bonding polyester body panels...your fiberglass will fracture long before fresh polyester adhesive. I had an applicator cone filled with some leftover that had cured; I chucked it up in a vise and tried to break it by beating it laterally with a hammer...no dice; mixed and cured properly, it's extremely tough and not brittle when fresh.

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    • Chuck S.
      Expired
      • April 1, 1992
      • 4668

      #17
      Re: 69 Vette bonding material

      Since Fusor is a two part adhesive, Fusor adhesives come packaged in a double barrel "syringe" that uses a special gun that moves both plungers at the same rate. A mixing nozzle attaches to the syringe where the two barrels come together. Fusor adhesives come in two sizes...300cc and 50cc; the gun for the 300cc container looks like a modified calking gun. Three hundred cc looks like two parallel cylinders about 1" in diameter and about 7" long.

      A 300cc tube of Fusor 100EZ will cost you about $40, the gun to mix it another $45-$50. You'll receive a couple of mixing nozzles with the adhesive. The polyester adhesive will probably cost little more than half that. I know the prices because I just bought the materials to make an SMC repair. Fusor 100EZ is a heat set material, so you would also need a heat gun or lamp to heat it to 180 degrees.

      If you are thinking of buying the Fusor adhesive, then squeezing it out in equal portions, mixing it, and loading it into another syringe...I think you would be better off to just buy the polyester adhesive, mix it, and squeeze it up into (maybe on top of) the joint using a large piece of brown paper rolled into a cake icing cone. You can apply a little hydraulic force with a putty knife to ensure the adhesive goes up into the joint.

      Don't make the mistake of thinking that "old-timey" polyester adhesives are inferior to modern adhesives for bonding polyester body panels...your fiberglass will fracture long before fresh polyester adhesive. I had an applicator cone filled with some leftover that had cured; I chucked it up in a vise and tried to break it by beating it laterally with a hammer...no dice; mixed and cured properly, it's extremely tough and not brittle when fresh.

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      • Rick M.
        Expired
        • May 4, 2007
        • 75

        #18
        Re: 69 Vette bonding material

        Thanks chuck,
        Great info. As I mentioned above I'm a boater and we love epoxy for a variety of reasons mostly it's strength. It's also fantastic for wood that has dry rot. My concern with marine epoxy was the heat generated. The Fusor product sounds perfect and I'll go with it based on your experience.
        Thanks again for the advice,
        Rick

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        • Rick M.
          Expired
          • May 4, 2007
          • 75

          #19
          Re: 69 Vette bonding material

          Thanks chuck,
          Great info. As I mentioned above I'm a boater and we love epoxy for a variety of reasons mostly it's strength. It's also fantastic for wood that has dry rot. My concern with marine epoxy was the heat generated. The Fusor product sounds perfect and I'll go with it based on your experience.
          Thanks again for the advice,
          Rick

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          • Chuck S.
            Expired
            • April 1, 1992
            • 4668

            #20
            Re: 69 Vette bonding material

            I have no hands-on experience...YET. But, I have researched Fusor extensively in preparation for an SMC repair...for SMC, polyester adhesive is not an option.

            Personally, I would use the polyester adhesive for FRP, but if Fusor is your choice, here are some helpful websites including the cheapest source I found for Fusor products. Overall, Ditchek & Sons was cheaper for my bill of material; you may be able to find individual items cheaper at other sites, but it's not worth the shipping cost to break up an order. Although Ditchek & Sons is located in BROOKLYN (Huuunnh??!!), my stuff was drop-shipped out of a distributor's warehouse in Illinois...service was quick; ordered on the internet Sunday and received shipment on Saturday.

            You may be able to study Fusor's product specs on their site and find a structural, as opposed to cosmetic, repair adhesive that does not require heat setting.





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            • Chuck S.
              Expired
              • April 1, 1992
              • 4668

              #21
              Re: 69 Vette bonding material

              I have no hands-on experience...YET. But, I have researched Fusor extensively in preparation for an SMC repair...for SMC, polyester adhesive is not an option.

              Personally, I would use the polyester adhesive for FRP, but if Fusor is your choice, here are some helpful websites including the cheapest source I found for Fusor products. Overall, Ditchek & Sons was cheaper for my bill of material; you may be able to find individual items cheaper at other sites, but it's not worth the shipping cost to break up an order. Although Ditchek & Sons is located in BROOKLYN (Huuunnh??!!), my stuff was drop-shipped out of a distributor's warehouse in Illinois...service was quick; ordered on the internet Sunday and received shipment on Saturday.

              You may be able to study Fusor's product specs on their site and find a structural, as opposed to cosmetic, repair adhesive that does not require heat setting.





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              • Steven C.
                Expired
                • October 24, 2006
                • 186

                #22
                I use FUSOR 147, not heat set *NM*

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                • Steven C.
                  Expired
                  • October 24, 2006
                  • 186

                  #23
                  I use FUSOR 147, not heat set *NM*

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                  • John W.
                    Expired
                    • May 1, 1975
                    • 14

                    #24
                    Re: 69 Vette bonding material

                    Joe, u r correct! Rick's best bet would be to run down to his local K-Mart and purchase a small (pint?) can of polyester resin (Do not forget the M.E.K. catalyst). We had 55 gal drums of resin. When needed we would mix the resin and chopped fiberglass in a gallon can to a paste-like consistency. When bonding was called for we scooped out the 'mix' onto a piece of cardboard, added 'just so' many drops of M.E.K. and glued the panels with this. Mine are still together 35 yrs later. About "chopped" stuff. I want to say PETIT brand. You can buy in small cans in a boat supply. Years later the boss cut costs by buying asbestos in large bags for this purpose. It worked just as well.
                    The important thing is to rough up and dust off the surfaces to bond. Work the opening with 100 grit sandpaper(no need to remove any of the old glue). Slop a wad of the "MIX" onto cardboard, add appropriate drops of catalyst, mix with a spreader as you would body filler, Force the panels to separate and with your spreader work it into the void. Let the panels relax and wait. If you access to someone else's bonding agent follow the prep procedure and just use that. Just tryin to save Rick some money (and practice posting).

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