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If a car that is being flight judged has a hard top, is the hardtop judged and then removed in order to judge the soft top or is the hardtop judged alone?? thanks
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Re: Hard top judging question.
This is covered in the NCRS Judging Reference Manual (white book). On two top cars, it's the owner's choice as to how he shows the car for judging. Only one top will be judged. During Performance Verification, choose wisely how you want to configure your car....
You will be expected to operate all items including soft top raise/lower and hard top removal. Obviously one is a lot easier than the other, BUT wind noise and if it's raining, water integrity is also judged during PV.... -
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I sure hope on a pv the judge is not to picky on wind noise or water management as G.M calls it .Here it is 2002 and they still cant seem to get the leaks & wind noise stopped at the factory .although the C5s are better than anything built before. BillComment
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Judging on a water leak? The point would be if it doesn't leak they would take points off. I thought they all leaked from the factory. DaveComment
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Dave, I hear this "they all leaked", all the time. Well, guess what? I was the
original owner a 1966 L72 Convertible, and never had a problem with water leaks in rain, and I drove the car daily (year round) for 2 1/2 years. The only time I got any type of leak was in the winter. If the car got covered with snow and it warmed up during the day, sometimes it would leak the melted snow in at the sides of the rear bow area. I had other friends with 63's, 66's & later on 67 convertibles, and very few of them had a problem with water leaks, either. If they did it was usually at the rear bow area, just to the rear of the door, as mine did sometimes, as I stated above. The way I see it, if the new weather strip does not keep the water out, it is not made correctly. Or, if it is, some thing else is causing the leak, mis-aligned top frame. windshield seal, etc. OK, I vented enough, all you people that say "they all leaked", fire away. You may not agree, but I am just stating the way it REALLY WAS, take it for what it's worth. DaveComment
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RIGHT ON!!!!
You hear the tale about 'They all leaked' like a stuck record. Now, boys and girls, thumb though your AIM books (sorry '53-55 guys) and you'll find a section describing the factory water integrity test.
It'll show you a room with umpteen water nozzles, angles of dispersement, and specified flow rate (in GALLONS/MINUTE). Plus, for convertible cars, the spec shows the insertion of a manometer tool through the window to suck a vacuum in the passenger cockpit to simulate car-in-motion tendancy to suck water in. If you visit Bowling Green, you'll see today's equivalent of this water torture fixture!
This was Chevy's flagship HP car with an upscale price silhouette. The folks who bought 'em new (regardless of time frame), expected/demanded then current state of the art weather seal technology. If 'they all leaked' was true, then the test fixture/method described in the AIM was a myth and Chevy ate it big time on warranty costs!Comment
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Jack, I agree with you 100 percent. DaveComment
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If you DRIVE them in rain they leak even 2002s we fix em all the time under warranty. c4 Corvettes had the poorest quality weather strips ever made . my new96 weather strips cracked in less than 6 months.The c5s are better than c4s but we fix alot of them to.Chevrolet spends a fortune on warranty work .much of it is goodwill to keep the customer happy.Comment
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Bill, I am well aware of the C4 weatherstrips, after replacing ALL of them repairing a 1986 Convertible. I would have thought the quality of the weather
strips would be better in 30+ years. But IMO, that does not seem to be the case. Just cheaper made with a higher price tag. My 2 cents, for what it's worth. DaveComment
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