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  • Chris Burbage

    #1

    Resoration and Judging Question

    I am restoring my 65 396 and have a two questions regarding the tranny. First are the shift linkage rods supposed to be finished in black phosphate. Second, the tranny has a short and long throw setup. I like to keep in the short throw configuration but will it cost "points", under NCRS judging, to set it up this way.
    Thanks,
    Chris
  • Wayne M.
    Expired
    • March 1, 1980
    • 6414

    #2
    Re: (M20) Resoration and Judging Question

    Chris --- All the C2 4-sp shift rods I've ever seen were black phosphate surfaced. Although I can't find the reference in the '65 JM/TM, I'm sure you'll lose points for the short throw adjust position (wasn't as delivered).

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    • Chris Burbage

      #3
      Re: (M20) Restoration and Judging Question

      Thanks Wayne. We are going over the entire car (frame-off) and looking for items that should be finished in black phosphate such as the rods.

      I'll setup the "long throw" position for now because I will be having the car judged a few times this year.

      I am using David Burroughs book on restoring a 65 396 as a guide.

      Chris

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      • Chris H.
        Very Frequent User
        • April 1, 2000
        • 796

        #4
        I concur with Wayne *NM*

        1969 Riverside Gold Coupe, L71, 14,000 miles. Top Flight, 2 Star Bowtie.

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        • Michael W.
          Expired
          • April 1, 1997
          • 4290

          #5
          You sure?

          Where in the flight judging process is the position of the shifter lever examined?

          During the ops test with the engine running, the transmission should be in neutral.

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          • Chris H.
            Very Frequent User
            • April 1, 2000
            • 796

            #6
            Re: You sure?

            I believe for PV judging, the length of the shifter throw is checked.

            Chris
            1969 Riverside Gold Coupe, L71, 14,000 miles. Top Flight, 2 Star Bowtie.

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            • Patrick H.
              Beyond Control Poster
              • December 1, 1989
              • 11372

              #7
              Re: You sure?

              Actually, it can be detected from the position of the shifter as it is examined by the interior people. If you get a really skinny chassis judge he might tell by crawling under the car.

              The only time I've heard of it DEFINITELY being a problem was in a PV. It was the guy's one thing to fix in his allotted 15 minutes.

              Most guys I know have had their cars judged with it in short throw and not had a problem.

              Patrick
              Vice-Chairman (West), Michigan Chapter NCRS
              71 "deer modified" coupe
              72 5-Star Bowtie / Duntov coupe. https://www.flickr.com/photos/124695...57649252735124
              2008 coupe
              Available stickers: Engine suffix code, exhaust tips & mufflers, shocks, AIR diverter valve broadcast code.

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              • Robert C.
                Expired
                • December 1, 1993
                • 1153

                #8
                Re: You sure?

                I would ask your team leader Dale Fite. I don't think the position is any problem. Most judges have to really strain to see the transmission at all! All the shift rods,linkage,nuts and clips are black phosphate as per the manual.

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                • Wayne M.
                  Expired
                  • March 1, 1980
                  • 6414

                  #9
                  ... and furthermore ('63-'66)

                  Clutch should be set to the long pedal travel position (again, factory); this one the interior judges could check while they're looking at the pedals.

                  Now I'm not saying these criteria are specified in the TM/JG, but they SHOULD be; they're every bit a part of an operations check as rotating the headlights.
                  Undoubtedly they would be detected in a PV.

                  Otherwise you could (in theory) top-flight with the shifter welded in neutral.

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                  • Loren L.
                    Extremely Frequent Poster
                    • May 1, 1976
                    • 4108

                    #10
                    Reverse lockout is parts of Ops Check *NM*

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                    • Gene M.
                      Extremely Frequent Poster
                      • April 1, 1985
                      • 4232

                      #11
                      Re: also backup lites NM *NM*

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