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Ed, What is your reason for this request? To obtain a higher score in flight judging? If so not valid. Why should any form of a replacement engine be treated any different from another, neither would be "restored" correctly. The rules all ready allow for deviations from as original and plainly spells out the deducts of points.
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Re: Judging CE engines
I agree. And replacement tires should be a full deduction, and restamped generator tags (yes, you can detect them from original) should be a full deduction, and replacement....you get the idea.
It is my belief that a warranty replacement engine is a part of that Corvette's history, and that car's history should be preserved. The opposite side of this is that restamping engines (did I really use that phrase) to make a "matching numbers" car is just a part of the restoration process.
Few things in life are black and white...most are some shade of gray. The use of replacement DOT tires is a shade of gray. In a black and white world, these tires would receive no credit.
I don't have a car with a CE engine in it, so I have no vested interested in this issue other than my belief that the car's history is important. Even if it has a replacement engine.
Do you have any constructive comments regarding this issue? I assume from your post that you are against the idea of giving "partial" credit for replacement engines. Is this correct? Is this issue really black and white for you, or is there some room for gray? I really do want to know about any suggestions that you might have to make this idea of mine better. -
Re: Judging CE engines
If CE blocks are given a reduced point deduction what is to prevent later dated blocks being restamped? To me if the pad is not the original it should not be able to be restamped under any circumstance. The cars lose all history and honesty when any restamp is allowed.Comment
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Ed, It is possible for a CE motor to make good on the casting number. One way this may become difficult is if the following model year the block casting number changed, how ever this should also become a problem if the engine was warranty covered and replaced late into the following model year. During initial model year the situation should favor a correct casting, and a remote possibility of a good casting date if the car is not early production. Why just because this replacement block spent years in said engine bay should more consideration be given? We are looking at Corvettes for restoration quality not experiences. The history has been altered from initial production and flight judging scoring will reflect points on correctness or deviations from original. If an alternator or radiator had the same warranty replacement judging looks at it as presented with no special allowance. If special consideration starts for one item (warranty replacements) this could become a never ending nite mare to institute. Sure an engine thats been in said car for years is interesting to look at and drive but of what value is it for RESTORATION what sets it apart from any replacement motor thats been sitting between the fenders of an old Corvette for years? My feeling is current judging guide lines take in account of replacement engines fairly.Comment
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How about a little consistency here?
If you feel history has a place in all this (I don't), then restamping is just a further part of the history of this particular vehicle. You wouldn't lose history, you'd gain another chapter.
If you refuse to snapshot a particular vehicle (for restoration purposes) in it's "end of the assembly line" configuration (as I do) why would you insist on snapshotting it in some other configuration which is completely arbitrary in every respect, except for the fact that it absolutley has to be prior to a restamp?
Why would you need to restamp your pad if it's original? Because it had been decked? Well once that's happened, it's more accurate to use a block with original tool marks. Once your numbers are gone what is the the significance of *your* original block? Sentiment? Once the numbers are gone it would then be just another correct but unnumbered and, therefore, completely interchangeable component in the "parts is parts" category.
As far as honesty, why would a restamp be any less honest than a repaint? Vehicles don't have honesty, owners do (or don't).
If you give full points for repros because they are perfect or less than perfect but the parts they replace are unobtainable why would you feel an undetectable restamp (especially if it is declared) to be dishonest? After all, what part could be more unobtainable than a long gone original engine?
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