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  • Pat Bush #35083

    #1

    73 Engine Problem Identified....

    Hi all -

    For all of you who have been living through the small block from hell that has been my life the last 2 months, thought I would bring you all up to date....

    I pulled the motor this week and my what I found. The top end was as suspected - bent exhaust valve in #5, guide hosed, yet another hammered seat and no this was not the insert I put in before.

    The bottom end was a different story. Although the bore had no wear and the pistons were in very good shape, the piston skirts and top ring lands had an odd build-up unlike anything I've seen in a gas engine. I showed the pistons to a racing rebuilder friend of mine, he chuckled and said, this motor was run on nitrous. Of course, that is not how the car was delivered to me. Ah, what people do to their Corvettes..... That answered a bunch of questions....

    The rod bearings were worn almost through the copper on all the rod tops, and the front and rear mains were the same so I am figuring the shaft is bent. But the big problem was the thrust which was actually pulling the cam forward enough to dimple the timing cover. Should have checked that too I guess and that explains the timing cover leak I never could quite fix.

    So the shaft will make a good boat anchor. The block I think I can save given some time.... Its a wonder of GM engineering that the engine ever held together as long as it did and based on what I saw, I expect it was on course to self-destruct in the next 1,000 miles or so. Of course, when the valve kissed the piston, it cracked, scored the wall, and now needs a 3/32 sleeve to fix it.

    Bottom line, in the interest of time, money, overall aggravation, Spring, and since the block was not numbers matching anyways, I have decided to drop a Goodwrench 350/250 in the car and be done with this engine until I can come back to it and straighten this whole mess out. After figuring out what the rebuild would cost (even if I did all the machine work), it turned out to be cheaper to put the crate in and just drive the car.

    Gotta love this hobby!

    Pat
  • Joe L.
    Beyond Control Poster
    • February 1, 1988
    • 42936

    #2
    Re: 73 Engine Problem Identified....

    Pat-----

    Glad that you finally got to the bottom of it. Folks that run nitrous oxide in a street engine ought to have their heads examined. Very popular these days, but totally bogus and "juvenile", in my opinion.
    In Appreciation of John Hinckley

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    • Joe L.
      Beyond Control Poster
      • February 1, 1988
      • 42936

      #3
      Re: 73 Engine Problem Identified....

      Pat-----

      Glad that you finally got to the bottom of it. Folks that run nitrous oxide in a street engine ought to have their heads examined. Very popular these days, but totally bogus and "juvenile", in my opinion.
      In Appreciation of John Hinckley

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      • Pat Bush #35083

        #4
        Re: 73 Engine Problem Identified....

        Thanks Joe. Still doesn't make me feel any better. Oh, if I could get my hands on those jamokes..... I think it would take the whole NCRS member body to keep me from giving them a little NO2, getting them giddy, and then flicking a match.

        Guess I have a little mean streak in me..... At least now, the demon has been excised.

        One more quick question - I thought the car is supposed to have a Muncie M20 in it. The tranny in it is a Borg-Warner. Serial Numbers on the case are 16S44430. Would you say this is a 76 issue Super T-10? I need to order a rebuild kit for it. Front shaft is a bit loose. Figure now is the time to straighten that out as well.

        Thanks for all your support.... I don't think there is anything else left mechanically on the car after this round!

        Pat

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        • Pat Bush #35083

          #5
          Re: 73 Engine Problem Identified....

          Thanks Joe. Still doesn't make me feel any better. Oh, if I could get my hands on those jamokes..... I think it would take the whole NCRS member body to keep me from giving them a little NO2, getting them giddy, and then flicking a match.

          Guess I have a little mean streak in me..... At least now, the demon has been excised.

          One more quick question - I thought the car is supposed to have a Muncie M20 in it. The tranny in it is a Borg-Warner. Serial Numbers on the case are 16S44430. Would you say this is a 76 issue Super T-10? I need to order a rebuild kit for it. Front shaft is a bit loose. Figure now is the time to straighten that out as well.

          Thanks for all your support.... I don't think there is anything else left mechanically on the car after this round!

          Pat

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          • Jack H.
            Extremely Frequent Poster
            • April 1, 1990
            • 9893

            #6
            Nitrous--not sure....

            The 'kid stuff' systems (connect a jar, hit a 'go' button and let 'er fly) will grenade any engine FAST. But, if you only want to make X passes down the drag strip before you scrap the engine and start over, it's a cheap thrill.

            On the other hand, we put together some pretty impressive off-the-shelf 'blower' systems for C4 cars that ran sweet and long! Above a certain 'level' of boost silhouette, you can get add-on nitrous. The system is packaged with a custom ECM and arming switch (standard mode or CONTROLLED NO2 mode).

            Once 'armed' nitrous is introduced on a computer controlled 'on-demand' basis using the ECM's real time engine visibility. NO2 feed is by timed duration (no MORE than a single 5-second shot before automatic reset) and peak clamped dwell (no more than 5% blend). These cars ran like scaulded apes on the street and logged +15K miles without incident. BUT, it was a total system integration effort including printed engine overhaul + heat treated/nitrided critical components in the engine.

            Guess, I think you can run nitrous IF the SYSTEM is done intelligently from the ground up....

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            • Jack H.
              Extremely Frequent Poster
              • April 1, 1990
              • 9893

              #7
              Nitrous--not sure....

              The 'kid stuff' systems (connect a jar, hit a 'go' button and let 'er fly) will grenade any engine FAST. But, if you only want to make X passes down the drag strip before you scrap the engine and start over, it's a cheap thrill.

              On the other hand, we put together some pretty impressive off-the-shelf 'blower' systems for C4 cars that ran sweet and long! Above a certain 'level' of boost silhouette, you can get add-on nitrous. The system is packaged with a custom ECM and arming switch (standard mode or CONTROLLED NO2 mode).

              Once 'armed' nitrous is introduced on a computer controlled 'on-demand' basis using the ECM's real time engine visibility. NO2 feed is by timed duration (no MORE than a single 5-second shot before automatic reset) and peak clamped dwell (no more than 5% blend). These cars ran like scaulded apes on the street and logged +15K miles without incident. BUT, it was a total system integration effort including printed engine overhaul + heat treated/nitrided critical components in the engine.

              Guess, I think you can run nitrous IF the SYSTEM is done intelligently from the ground up....

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              • Pat Bush #35083

                #8
                Rest Assured....

                Jack ---

                Rest assured none of what you said was done. Proper management, planning, and engineering was NOT on the list of prior owner priorities. Beating the car senseless has been the way it has been since the beginning with this poor girl.

                My observations are standard .030 forged TRW pistons, standard 400 rods, standard externally balanced 400 crankshaft, and as far as I could see, standard everything else except the valves and cam. No, I believe these were the former "tank and button" folks. Hence, the current Dr. Destructo motor. I will never know exactly what was done but whatever it was, the wear on the motor was suitably impressive on the bottom end with no wear in the cylinders.

                Perhaps I shall pray to the Corvette god for guidance and insight into this issue....

                Regards -

                Pat

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                • Pat Bush #35083

                  #9
                  Rest Assured....

                  Jack ---

                  Rest assured none of what you said was done. Proper management, planning, and engineering was NOT on the list of prior owner priorities. Beating the car senseless has been the way it has been since the beginning with this poor girl.

                  My observations are standard .030 forged TRW pistons, standard 400 rods, standard externally balanced 400 crankshaft, and as far as I could see, standard everything else except the valves and cam. No, I believe these were the former "tank and button" folks. Hence, the current Dr. Destructo motor. I will never know exactly what was done but whatever it was, the wear on the motor was suitably impressive on the bottom end with no wear in the cylinders.

                  Perhaps I shall pray to the Corvette god for guidance and insight into this issue....

                  Regards -

                  Pat

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