I just wonder what NCRS is certifying here?

[Dan A.]

The stamp shown in the photos maybe?

eBay item number: 181545901635

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Chevrolet-Corvette-1963-chevrolet-corvette-convertible-fuelie-ncrs-certified-call-now-to-buy-now-/181545901635?forcerrptr=true&hash=item2a44fa9e43&item=181545901635&pt=US_Cars_Trucks#ht_9423wt_898

[Michael J.]

Re: I just wonder what NCRS is certifying here?

Would like to see the judging sheets, yes, perhaps the engine pad passed at the flight judging, but it was Chapter judging, so…….

[Ed S.]

Re: I just wonder what NCRS is certifying here?

According to the "Rev Up Motor's" website, they are asking $67,900 for this car.

http://www.revupmotors.com/inventory

Ed

[Michael G.]

Re: I just wonder what NCRS is certifying here?

I don't think NCRS certifies anything, the seller is "misinformed"...

[Michael W.]

Re: I just wonder what NCRS is certifying here?

perhaps the engine pad passed at the flight judging,

Look at pics 67-70.

[Michael J.]

Re: I just wonder what NCRS is certifying here?

Look at pics 67-70.

I did, but they are such poor quality I can't make a judgement. And the block casting number means nothing, since all '63s had that.

[Michael J.]

Re: I just wonder what NCRS is certifying here?

I don't think NCRS certifies anything, the seller is "misinformed"...

True, and you noticed he didn't post the back of the Flight certificate, with all the disclaimers.

[Philip A.]

Re: I just wonder what NCRS is certifying here?

I may be mistaken, but I thought NCRS has a document certification service. We, as NCRS members, need to educate the uniformed, that NCRS does NOT certify cars. The seller is misrepresenting the car

[Joe R.]

Re: I just wonder what NCRS is certifying here?

That 63 is misrepresenting ALL restored 1963 Corvettes!!!!!!! The restoration? on that 1963 is horrible! It would not receive an honorable mention at a real NCRS judging meet!!!

JR

[Tracy C.]

Re: I just wonder what NCRS is certifying here?

Would like to see the judging sheets, yes, perhaps the engine pad passed at the flight judging, but it was Chapter judging, so…….

The stampings on that engine pad are wretched. Doubt it went without deducts chapter meet or not. I remember when it was fairly common to see that orange color on riverside red 63/4s. I think the popularity of the 56/7 venetian red was a heavy influence.

I just hate to see a seller use the NCRS as a "tool" on a car with such obvious flaws.

[Kenneth B.]

Re: I just wonder what NCRS is certifying here?

I don't think NCRS certifies anything, the seller is "misinformed"...

Then what dose Certificate of achievement for the Corvette mean? To me it means that on that day the Corvette is judged to attain a certain level of as left the factory condition which is a form of certify as in certificate.

[William C.]

Re: I just wonder what NCRS is certifying here?

no longer posted as for sale on the link provided....

[Michael W.]

Re: I just wonder what NCRS is certifying here?

Then what dose Certificate of achievement for the Corvette mean? To me it means that on that day the Corvette is judged to attain a certain level of as left the factory condition which is a form of certify as in certificate.

Does that mean to you that any/all of the car is 'original born-with real deal'?

[Ed S.]

Re: I just wonder what NCRS is certifying here?

William,
When I go to the website either via the link or actually typing in the URL I still see the "NCRS Certified" Vette listed. I'm surprised that it doesn't appear when you go to the site.

Regarding the use of that term "certified" - not sure if it is just a poor choice of words or the dealer is trying to impress someone (a potential buyer) and really doesn't know what he's talking about. I often see NCRS Top Flight or other NCRS awards listed with advertised Vettes. One Vette sales specialist in particular that operates in Georgia (won't mention the company name) routinely asserts that cars he lists have earned an NCRS Top Flight award. I am not defending or criticizing any of the dealers. Perhaps the most important take-away is that potential buyers must be aware, prudent and vigilant - lots of snake oil sales men out there.

[Michael G.]

Re: I just wonder what NCRS is certifying here?

All my Top Flight documents have this on the back.

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I think it states very clearly that no certification is intended.

Its interesting that this is a 63, a car that is a constant source of arguments here about what was original, when it was original, and who claims it as original, as well as whether the Judging Guide used to evaluate it, is even correct. If the relatively "expert" guys on this forum can't even say (for sure) what parts a given car should have on it, I'm pretty sure its folly for anyone to be claiming their car is "certified", in any way, shape or form by NCRS.

This whole "certification" thing is about guys who want to flip Corvettes to make money. I don't think the NCRS mission is to help them do that. Let the flippers make their claims, if someone wants to take the time to validate those claims before buying the car, he/she won't get screwed. Very few take the time to even "flip" the award document over, as exemplified by the guys bidding on that POS car.