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  • James W.
    Extremely Frequent Poster
    • December 1, 1990
    • 2640

    Bowtie Judging Requirements

    When having a Corvette considered as a Bowtie candidate, does the car have to be Flight Judged prior to the National Convention and score a Top Flight? This is new territory for me and I am trying to get up to speed on what needs to be done in the proper sequence.

    Thanks,

    James
  • Terry M.
    Beyond Control Poster
    • September 30, 1980
    • 15573

    #2
    Re: Bowtie Judging Requiements

    Originally posted by James West (18379)
    When having a Corvette considered as a Bowtie candidate, does the car have to be Flight Judged prior to the National Convention and score a Top Flight? This is new territory for me and I am trying to get up to speed on what needs to be done in the proper sequence.

    Thanks,

    James
    Jim,
    The car has to be presented for Flight Judging at a Regional within the year (National Convention to National Convention) preceding the convention you have in mind. No particular Flight score is required.
    You have to state the car is presented for BowTie sign-off when registering for the Regional. After the car is judged you and the National Team Leader will have a conversation about the merits of the car.
    Terry

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    • Rick A.
      Extremely Frequent Poster
      • July 31, 2002
      • 2147

      #3
      Re: Bowtie Judging Requiements

      James

      Okay, don't have the fine Judging Reference Manual in front of me, so am responding from memory and yes CRS is rampant!

      Judges at a Chapter or Regional cannot certify anything as the car will be Bowtie judged only at a National Convention and the judges at that meet will determine the ultimate outcome. Also, you have only one attempt at a Bowtie. What may happen at a Regional the National Team Leader for your year of car will ask the judging teams to determine if they believe your car would be a candidate and NTL will then invite the car to National. That is the only way you get there is by invitation, as only FOUR cars in each class are invited. The other thing to consider is I believe it must be Bowtie judged within 1 year of the invitation by the NTL.

      The car will be Bowtie judged in 4 categories (interior, exterior, machanical, chassis). Each area requires the car to attain a percentage as identified in the JRM, with most areas requiring a score of somewhere between 65-80%, but again varies by car year. You will receive a star for each category that passes the originality test and a Bowtie award if you pass all 4 categories. So, you could attain a 1, 2, 3, or 4 star award. You also can attain a 5th star in subsequent years by meeting display requirements as detailed in the JRM.

      Hope this helps, and best of luck. You'll have lots of challenges and fun along the way.
      Rick Aleshire
      2016 Ebony C7R Z06 "ROSA"

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      • John F.
        Extremely Frequent Poster
        • March 23, 2008
        • 2395

        #4
        Re: Bowtie Judging Requiements

        James, I had my 62 vette flight judged at the Lone Star Regional in Friscoe, TX a year ago. It was determined by the judges to be referred for Bowtie sign-off. Once that happens, you must register for the next National Convention to be Star Judged. The 62 Judging Manual indicates the car must meet 80% for Chassis & 80% for Mechanical, and 85% for Interior & 85% for Exterior. At the National you must complete the application and declare any work that you have done or known to be done to the car. You in effect do not want to do anything to the car. It is what it is. They will judge all four areas and advise what percentage you attained. They will not tell you which item(s) that failed. This is to protect the integrity of the judging process for future purposes. I happened to pass all four with flying colors and attained the Chevrolet Bowtie Award. Some cars did not attain a star in all four categories and some people did get upset. Go into the process with an open mind and let the car stand on its own. It is really a great event and great process!!

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        • James W.
          Extremely Frequent Poster
          • December 1, 1990
          • 2640

          #5
          Re: Bowtie Judging Requiements

          Gentlemen,

          Thank you all for your responses.


          Best Regards,

          James West

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          • Michael J.
            Extremely Frequent Poster
            • January 27, 2009
            • 7073

            #6
            Re: Bowtie Judging Requiements

            This is an interesting award, IIRC, it is the only NCRS award that actually stays with the car, not the owner. A flight award, Duntov, etc. is the owner's award, and can't be transferred to a new owner, but a Bowtie can.
            Big Tanks In the High Mountains of New Mexico

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            • Steven S.
              Expired
              • November 1, 1995
              • 151

              #7
              Re: Bowtie Judging Requiements

              As stated above, the first hurdle is to score over the previous listed score for each of the four areas, but meeting that alone does not get you the award. The team then meets and discusses the car and it's ability to be used as a learning tool. Each item on the list of the judging sheet carries the same weight, I.e. A mirror carries the same weight as all the paint on the exterior. A car can be a total repaint and score over 90% for the exterior area. Should it get a star for that area? That is what the NTL and judges will discuss.

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              • Michael J.
                Extremely Frequent Poster
                • January 27, 2009
                • 7073

                #8
                Re: Bowtie Judging Requiements

                I have always wondered how the judges can sort out original parts from other cars vs. original parts from the car presented. I am guessing they can't but that doesn't matter as long as it is an original part?
                Big Tanks In the High Mountains of New Mexico

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                • Page C.
                  Very Frequent User
                  • February 1, 1979
                  • 802

                  #9
                  Re: Bowtie Judging Requiements

                  You would be guessing wrong. The parts not only need to be original but original to that car. Many have tried and failed to build Bowtie cars.

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                  • Michael J.
                    Extremely Frequent Poster
                    • January 27, 2009
                    • 7073

                    #10
                    Big Tanks In the High Mountains of New Mexico

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                    • Terry M.
                      Beyond Control Poster
                      • September 30, 1980
                      • 15573

                      #11
                      Re: Bowtie Judging Requiements

                      Originally posted by Michael Johnson (49879)
                      OK, good to know, so now I am back to wondering how the judges know all that…….
                      It's top secret. If I told you I would have to kill you.

                      PS: When I retire from NCRS I am going to write a book and reveal all. Then I can hit the "author's circuit" and you can watch me on all the talk shows.
                      Terry

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                      • Michael J.
                        Extremely Frequent Poster
                        • January 27, 2009
                        • 7073

                        #12
                        Re: Bowtie Judging Requiements

                        Originally posted by Terry McManmon (3966)
                        It's top secret. If I told you I would have to kill you.

                        PS: When I retire from NCRS I am going to write a book and reveal all. Then I can hit the "author's circuit" and you can watch me on all the talk shows.
                        Big Tanks In the High Mountains of New Mexico

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                        • Terry M.
                          Beyond Control Poster
                          • September 30, 1980
                          • 15573

                          #13
                          Re: Bowtie Judging Requiements

                          Would you like a job as my PR person? You are just full of good ideas.
                          Terry

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                          • Kevin G.
                            Extremely Frequent Poster
                            • February 1, 2005
                            • 1074

                            #14
                            Re: Bowtie Judging Requirements

                            Hi James,

                            To answer your question, please read the following. Flight judging can be waived if a desire for Bowtie Sign off is the owners only intent. No flight score evaluation is required. The following can be found on page 45 of the Judging Reference Manual.

                            " The owners must contact the appropriate National Team Leader and inform him of the intent to complete flight judging OR a desire to acquire only a Bowtie Sign Off for the subject vehicle."


                            cont.
                            "The purpose of this process is to allocate the appropriate time for an accurate evaluation. If the owner ops to forgo Flight Judging, the time allocation with the registration for the event will allow sufficient time to assist in determining if the car belongs in the Star/Bowtie Judging system and exchange those views with the owner."


                            Terry,

                            As there is some truth behind every joke, I'm curious where we are to locate your bronze statue? NCM?

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                            • Michael J.
                              Extremely Frequent Poster
                              • January 27, 2009
                              • 7073

                              #15
                              Re: Bowtie Judging Requiements

                              Originally posted by Terry McManmon (3966)
                              Would you like a job as my PR person? You are just full of good ideas.
                              Big Tanks In the High Mountains of New Mexico

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