Use of "Original Numbers" Terminology

[Kenneth B.]

Re: Use of "Original Numbers" Terminology

unless you bought car new or have a signed statement from each owner there is no way to prove everything is original to car, even then it doesn't prove anything, a signed statement would only prove that you or someone was willing to put in writing what you say to be true and even then a person could lie. the hobby has gotten too caught up in words like original, matching etc. I liked the days when I bought my first corvette and people bought and enjoyed their cars and were not anal about matching numbers, original numbers, clamps, hoses etc. and on that no car is 100% original today regardless of what someone says. Lastly, my cars have numbers that match but I did not buy new so I will never say anything is original to car even if I believe it is....my 2 cents.

VERY well said & what I have been saying for years. Not many of us left though. Only a original owner knows for sure. We have lost track of what the letters NCRS stand for. Guess we a just getting old & the prices of Corvettes have gone through the roof.

[Edward C.]

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VERY well said & what I have been saying for years. Not many of us left though. Only a original owner knows for sure. We have lost track of what the letters NCRS stand for. Guess we a just getting old & the prices of Corvettes have gone through the roof.

The prices of Corvettes are relatively inexpensive compared to just about every other muscle car. And if they are not "original numbers matching" they are nearly worthless...........crazy.....

Never really cared about the value. I just bought what I liked.

[Michael W.]

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I guess this is a classic example of 'thread drift'.

[Mark D.]

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I guess this is a classic example of 'thread drift'.

I once owned a 69 L88 that I took all the way to Duntov Mark of Excellence. Now, I have a beautiful Corvair Rampside that NCRS will not let me have judged, at all. That's why NCRS is not gaining the younger crowd! Here are some other reasons...

1) They don't let all makes in for judging
2) If a car does not have its original motor, master judges shoot spitwads at it until Saturday release time
3) You can't get ripped drunk on the judging field
4) No burnouts on the judging field
5) They expect cars to have real trim tags (What a bunch of Commies)
6) Some cars get Top Flights and some don't (That's totally unfair)
7) If your car doesn't wear lacquer paint, you're screwed
8) If your member number is higher than 13,263 you're considered a dope. (Probably justified, there)
9) They're mean
10) They don't like bald fat guys that live KY (Ballard still has SOME hair)

[Kenneth B.]

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I once owned a 69 L88 that I took all the way to Duntov Mark of Excellence.









10) They don't like bald fat guys that live KY (Ballard still has SOME hair)

YA but he can't afford tall pants & it looks like he has less hair on his legs now. LOL

[Monte M.]

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Mike,
I resemble that remark about member numbers. Ouch.

But at least number 3 gives me an idea why they have not asked me bad...............

[Michael G.]

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The "original" numbers are 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9 and 0. My car has some of them, spread around liberally in various locations, therefore, when I sell it, I will likely claim it is clearly an "original numbers" car...

so there

[Leif A.]

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The "original" numbers are 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9 and 0. My car has some of them, spread around liberally in various locations, therefore, when I sell it, I will likely claim it is clearly an "original numbers" car...

so there

Michael,

I think you've hit on the ultimate solution

Leif

[Mike E.]

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The "original" numbers are 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9 and 0. My car has some of them, spread around liberally in various locations, therefore, when I sell it, I will likely claim it is clearly an "original numbers" car...

so there

Is original miles anything like original numbers? What the heck is un-original miles?

Mike

[Michael G.]

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Well, duh, "un-original miles" are clearly the boring, tedious, repetitious second time you see the original numbers pass by, as in "Anything beyond 99,999.9 miles is just sooooo boring and un-original"

See how easy this stuff is?

[Dan D.]

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I love this thread. I think it illustrates everything that'sreally great...and everything that's kind of disgusting about this organization. For what it's worth...I think the solution would be to break up the NCRS into four separate groups.
1. - PURISTS - Now, these cars are absolute"virgins." I mean they even have the original oil filter put on at the plant. Never mind, you can't drive them because some of the parts are worn out and they won't pass inspection...but by God, they are "original" and look damn good shined up and sitting in the garage and you can even tow it around on a trailer and show everyone how good it looks. They will be entitled to display a gold "V" decal in the corner of their windshield. BTW...If the car gets a scratch...rub it out if you can but you're not allowed to paint it.
2 - PRESERVATIONISTS - These cars will remain drivable. So,on these cars...when something breaks or wears out...it can be fixed or replaced. In an effort to retain as high a degree of originality as possible...these owners will go to the expense of rebuilding original components rather than replacing them...search diligently for NOS parts...have any replaced item correctly date stamped or properly coded. And you're allowed to do some paint work, if necessary, While not allowed a gold "V," these cars can have a black "V" because they are only slightly "soiled."
3 - PRAGMATISTS - These cars are driven. They will be maintained and repaired as needed. These owners will make a reasonable effort to maintain the original appearance of their car. But, when replacing failed components...newer technology will even be tolerated as long as it doesn't alter the outward appearance. Although not encouraged, replica window labels will be tolerated as will replica tank stickers...But, they have to be on yellow paper, clearly identifying them as "replicas." Clearly, displaying any kind of "V" would be out of the question...so how about a red"A" for...it's been "fooled with"...a little...but not too much.
4 - ENTHUSIASTS - These cars are enjoyed. These cars will range from maintaining reasonable originality to modifications that suit the whim of the owner. Most of these owners will be mainly concerned with safety and reliability because these cars are out on the highway a lot...and with their appearance reflecting the owner's personality and suiting their individual tastes. Within this group there's no real rules or conventions. As to their window decal...the first thing I thought about was a big green "W" standing for...well, never mind"...But, on further reflection...how about a... Gold Star...signifying..."I bought this Vette to have fun... I'm not concernedwhat anyone thinks...I'll do with it as I please...I didn't buy it to look at...I bought it to drive and enjoy...and when I'm gone...my kids or grand kids can do with it as they please.

[Ed S.]

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Nice try Dan but I think a few of the more recognizable classic car auction companies operating in the US of A, especially one that is often on TV, have been using your proposed classification system to determine suggested asking prices for cars they are offering for a long time.

[Dan D.]

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I love this thread. I think it illustrates everything that'sreally great...and everything that's kind of disgusting about this organization. For what it's worth...I think the solution would be to break up the NCRS into four separate groups.
1. - PURISTS - Now, these cars are absolute"virgins." I mean they even have the original oil filter put on at the plant. Never mind, you can't drive them because some of the parts are worn out and they won't pass inspection...but by God, they are "original" and look damn good shined up and sitting in the garage and you can even tow it around on a trailer and show everyone how good it looks. They will be entitled to display a gold "V" decal in the corner of their windshield. BTW...If the car gets a scratch...rub it out if you can but you're not allowed to paint it.
2 - PRESERVATIONISTS - These cars will remain drivable. So,on these cars...when something breaks or wears out...it can be fixed or replaced. In an effort to retain as high a degree of originality as possible...these owners will go to the expense of rebuilding original components rather than replacing them...search diligently for NOS parts...have any replaced item correctly date stamped or properly coded. And you're allowed to do some paint work, if necessary, While not allowed a gold "V," these cars can have a black "V" because they are only slightly "soiled."
3 - PRAGMATISTS - These cars are driven. They will be maintained and repaired as needed. These owners will make a reasonable effort to maintain the original appearance of their car. But, when replacing failed components...newer technology will even be tolerated as long as it doesn't alter the outward appearance. Although not encouraged, replica window labels will be tolerated as will replica tank stickers...But, they have to be on yellow paper, clearly identifying them as "replicas." Clearly, displaying any kind of "V" would be out of the question...so how about a red"A" for...it's been "fooled with"...a little...but not too much.
4 - ENTHUSIASTS - These cars are enjoyed. These cars will range from maintaining reasonable originality to modifications that suit the whim of the owner. Most of these owners will be mainly concerned with safety and reliability because these cars are out on the highway a lot...and with their appearance reflecting the owner's personality and suiting their individual tastes. Within this group there's no real rules or conventions. As to their window decal...the first thing I thought about was a big green "W" standing for...well, never mind"...But, on further reflection...how about a... Gold Star...signifying..."I bought this Vette to have fun... I'm not concernedwhat anyone thinks...I'll do with it as I please...I didn't buy it to look at...I bought it to drive and enjoy...and when I'm gone...my kids or grand kids can do with it as they please.

[Mark D.]

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That's a good one!

I've been to 30 state fairs and 8 goat ropes but, I've never seen this 'virgin' you speak of. I've seen a Yeti once and I've seen the Lochness monster 4 times. A wise man once said, there are no virgins in a *****house.

[Mark D.]

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I don't think you ever actually saw the Loch Ness monster once, because if you did, you would know it is the Loch Ness Monster...

I'm talking about the the monster in Lochness, next to ol' man Kelsey's creek, in NC.