License Frame judging????

[Mark D.]

Re: License Frame judging????

I further state if a judge can't tell the difference between steel and stainless by looking at it then maybe he should better educate one's self.

Hey, big boy, that's a sexist remark.

Get me HR on line 1!!

[Gene M.]

Re: License Frame judging????

Hey, big boy, that's a sexist remark.

Get me HR on line 1!!

OK try this:
I further state if a judge can't tell the difference between steel and stainless by looking at it then maybe HE OR SHE should better educate one's self.

[Page C.]

Re: License Frame judging????

Stainless and Aluminized components are not handled under CDCIF. They are in the Judging Reference Manual. Section 4- Standard Deduction Guidelines item #6.
Table of Originality Deductions.
Deduct 50%- any part that was not originally stainless steel.
Tony addressed this in his post#26.

[Jaime G.]

Re: License Frame judging????

The judging reference manual states on page 25 under originality scoring, "originality scoring is based on a part, component part, or area appearing to the judges to comply with our......... All the portions under CDCIF are defined in a visual determination of our judging standard. You can read the judging reference manual for ones self to become more familiar with our requirements. You should not lose points based on verification beyond appearance. Magnetic quality is not a requirement for visual judging. The judging reference guide states judging is on an appearance basis. That means looking with one's eyes. There is no provision for metallurgical verification. Densitometers, Rockwell test, color charts, magnification equipment, durometer measurement, magnetic qualities, etc as these are not spelled out as means of judging components defined as "appears". Visual does not entail physical contact with said Corvette. Judges tools should be limited to score sheet, judging manual, clipboard, pencil, flash light, and a small mirror. Eye glasses should be the only optical enhancement necessary for vision.”

I'm sure owners would not like their paint verified with spectra analyzer or ultrasonic thickness measurement. My opinion is if you can "see" no difference from original using the CDCIF guidelines then no deduction.

I further state if a judge can't tell the difference between steel and stainless by looking at it then maybe he should better educate one's self.

Thanks Gene, I could not have said it better.

[Gary H.]

Re: License Frame judging????

At the end of the day, it is up to the owner to prove originality.

At National convention, I had to remove one of my frames to prove that it was original. Not all license plate frames are the same

[Dave S.]

Re: License Frame judging????

At the end of the day, it is up to the owner to prove originality.

At National convention, I had to remove one of my frames to prove that it was original. Not all license plate frames are the same

Once it is off the car there is no need for a magnet. The clips and rivet are clearly visible so it is easy to see if it is a GM replacement or an original.

[Michael W.]

Re: License Frame judging????

At the end of the day, it is up to the owner to prove originality.

At National convention, I had to remove one of my frames to prove that it was original.

Huh? Where is that in the rules?

[Rich C.]

Re: License Frame judging????

Holy smokes!!!

I have a migraine from this thread!!! Why in the world should you have to remove the license plate frame??? Dropping the spare, taking off the air cleaner...I can see that, but jeez magnets??? When did things change from the APPEARANCE of factory to metal composition??? I mean the control arm rubber flap staples??? Yikes!


1973 LS-4 454 coupe owned 24 years
1996 LT-4 Collector coupe owned 15 months
Sierra Nevada Torpedo IPA currently on tap!

[Jaime G.]

Re: License Frame judging????

Holy smokes!!!

I have a migraine from this thread!!! Why in the world should you have to remove the license plate frame??? Dropping the spare, taking off the air cleaner...I can see that, but jeez magnets??? When did things change from the APPEARANCE of factory to metal composition??? I mean the control arm rubber flap staples??? Yikes!


1973 LS-4 454 coupe owned 24 years
1996 LT-4 Collector coupe owned 15 months
Sierra Nevada Torpedo IPA currently on tap!

Rich, maybe this is why the young members do not bring their cars to be judged. I agree with you 100%.