Ncrs judging ?

[Ralph A.]

When you go to get your car judge, NCRS wants to use their Judging Guide an everything will be good. So if they deduct points for something that's not in the JG is that someone's fault or is that NCRS fault and is that Fair. And should they judge that part until it gets put in the JG thanks.

[Harry S.]

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When you go to get your car judge, NCRS wants to use their Judging Guide an everything will be good. So if they deduct points for something that's not in the JG is that someone's fault or is that NCRS fault and is that Fair. And should they judge that part until it gets put in the JG thanks.

I believe you answered your own question, it's a Guide not a rule book.

[Mark D.]

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You can probably check the archives and study the other 50,000 threads were that question has been asked. It's always a great topic to get some serious weeping, wailing and gnashing of teeth.

[Philip A.]

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I believe you answered your own question, it's a Guide not a rule book.

Harry said it best. You are also subject to the individual judges knowledge and lack of it. Which can work both in your favor and against.

[Bob D.]

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Get the judging sheets and use them as a guide. You can down load them from this site. They will be very helpful.

[Art B.]

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I guess this gets into the area known as "prior knowledge" or "personal knowledge." I don't have a problem with that as usually the judges that rely on that are experienced, knowledgeable guys. However, one time when I was having my '57 judged, one of the guys doing the Mechanical section used his "prior knowledge" to give me a deduct on the color of a small engine component. It turned out he was wrong. The judging guide being used at the time did not address that point. It was a small deduct and I didn't make an issue of it.

[Harry S.]

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I guess this gets into the area known as "prior knowledge" or "personal knowledge." I don't have a problem with that as usually the judges that rely on that are experienced, knowledgeable guys. However, one time when I was having my '57 judged, one of the guys doing the Mechanical section used his "prior knowledge" to give me a deduct on the color of a small engine component. It turned out he was wrong. The judging guide being used at the time did not address that point. It was a small deduct and I didn't make an issue of it.

As I understand it now, if a judge wishes to use personal knowledge he must clear it with the team leader first. This makes it more fair for the owner.

[Michael W.]

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There's now two different issues being discussed. Prior/personal knowledge is what a judge might know of a given car's individual history. Nothing to do with what might be in the Judging Guide.

The OP's question is with respect to knowledge of 'all cars' that goes beyond what is written in the guides.

[Harry S.]

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There's now two different issues being discussed. Prior/personal knowledge is what a judge might know of a given car's individual history. Nothing to do with what might be in the Judging Guide.

The OP's question is with respect to knowledge of 'all cars' that goes beyond what is written in the guides.

Mike, correct. We're not discussing anything about financial interest ( a restorer ) or know facts about an individual car (re-stamp as an example)

[Robert D.]

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What i do is use the judging manual have the car judged and use that info along with this site and your own judgement to try and fix the deductions if possible. the judges are for the most part extremely knowledgable. in my experience they also take time to review things that are not correct. they are very polite and make this a learnig process and not a judging process (against you) it is very exciting. the judging manual is if full of info. the first time i had my car judged i recieved deductions that were a little hard to swallow and when i went back to the manual they were in there lol alot of the minutia can easily be missed. some is not in there but that is why they have all the checks and balances

[Duke W.]

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There's now two different issues being discussed. Prior/personal knowledge is what a judge might know of a given car's individual history. Nothing to do with what might be in the Judging Guide.

The OP's question is with respect to knowledge of 'all cars' that goes beyond what is written in the guides.

Back when I supervised intercontinental ballistic missile mainteance we called it "system knowledge", and it could make a different between receive a passing or failing grade on an evaluation.

I've also ignored the '63-'64 JG when I knew it was wrong from my "system knowledge" of owning and working on my SWC since new.

Duke

[Edward M.]

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And the idea being that as we learn more about these cars, we updated the judging manuals to reflect our collective knowledge. WE still learn, even after 50 - 60 years.

[Enzo C.]

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In my opinion, I have when I get my car judged ,I reference the judging sheets and manual together.I have had deductions and than I found out on my own that they were not justified.As a owner you need to do your research..... and don't just jump and start spending money on correcting the items that had points deducted.As a judge myself I always have the manual with me for reference so I give the owner full benefit. If I am not sure I go to my judging chairman or team leader and get clarification ... I have learned a lot..... and learning more every day ... Enjoy and good luck

[Edward M.]

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And the golden rule, that I learned on the first day of the first time I judged still applies....

"In the absence of any evidence to the contrary, give the owner the benefit of the doubt.".