1971 Key envelope

[Dave S.]

Re: 1971 Key envelope

Alan,

Dave's pictures are examples that are in terrific condition as compared the license screw package I discovered in the LT-1. Very good pictures as Gary posted.

As far as the "new" fresh looking examples I would have to now conclude, they are these somewhat blurring reproductions that have out there for many years......Even with the added "track" that you just showed me, (way cool!), that does appear on my original (however not as pronounced). Glue strip or no glue strip, the printing is much more clear on the originals in my hand, than the example you posted. Along with the differences you reveal. Look at the key alone, much different!

Kevin,
I'm confused by your post.
The license screw envelope that I posted is an original with the screws inside it. Are you suggesting it is not.?
I have the reproduction that Bill Vyn made but would not post it. If you look in the archives it has been posted prior to this thread.

[Kevin G.]

Re: 1971 Key envelope

Kevin,
I'm confused by your post.
The license screw envelope that I posted is an original with the screws inside it. Are you suggesting it is not.?
I have the reproduction that Bill Vyn made but would not post it. If you look in the archives it has been posted prior to this thread.

My mistake! I misread your post thinking the one pictured was the example from Bill. Please excuse the error! I was thinking why would you...

You might be able to see the screws poping through the envelope in my photo, too!

[Jason R.]

Re: 1971 Key envelope

Hi Kevin.

I think you're correct about the key envelope with regards to no glue being on some of them. I have an original envelope from one of my 1970 cars which has no glue, just like the example you posted. Until Alan posted the picture of the 1969 envelope (which there are some differences), I never noticed the track roller marks before. I looked closer at mine and there is evidence of there being two rollers marks on it. Does your envelopes have two or one roller mark lines? They are difficult to see and the one side appears to be more depressed than the other on mine.

Nice to always be learning something new!

[Kevin G.]

Re: 1971 Key envelope

Hi Kevin.

I think you're correct about the key envelope with regards to no glue being on some of them. I have an original envelope from one of my 1970 cars which has no glue, just like the example you posted. Until Alan posted the picture of the 1969 envelope (which there are some differences), I never noticed the track roller marks before. I looked closer at mine and there is evidence of there being two rollers marks on it. Does your envelopes have two or one roller mark lines? They are difficult to see and the one side appears to be more depressed than the other on mine.

Nice to always be learning something new!

Hi Jason,

Any chance you could post a few high resolution photos of your envelope?
The "roller track" is barely visible on the one in hand, but I'll try to see if there is more than one line?

[Alan S.]

Re: 1971 Key envelope

Hi,
In looking at the key envelope I bought for my 71 with Jason's point in mind, I see what I believe are 2 narrow tracks with about 1/8" space between them. I didn't see this until I checked after reading your post Jason. Is that what you're describing as 2 tracks Jason?
Also, it appears the printing was done before the envelope was folded because the tracks appear on the surface of the bottom flap too that gets folded over in the forming process.
ALSO, the glue pattern on this flap is almost exactly like the pattern on the flap I first posted. Is this another indication that the envelope from the 69 and the one I bought were made the same time?
Does any of this matter?
Should I find better things to concern me?
Regards,
Alan

Purchased a year or so ago.


Previous posted glue.

[Jason R.]

Re: 1971 Key envelope

Yes Alan that is exactly what I am referring to.

[Daniel K.]

Re: 1971 Key envelope

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This is from my '71. Believed to be original, would welcome comments either way. The tracks originally identified by Alan are definitely there and, as noted, appear to have been applied prior to finishing of the envelope because they extend to the end of the bottom and top flaps. I can't see any obvious glue daubs, so I guess I'm in Kevin's camp on that topic.

[Alan S.]

Re: 1971 Key envelope

Hi Daniel,
Nice Envelope!
I think it's interesting that the 2 envelopes that I have pictures of appear to be new/unused, have the glue, and have printing differences from Kevin's and your envelope which have no glue, but certainly appear to have been used.
Does anyone have any pictures of the the $5.00 envelope that a few of the vendors are presently selling?
Regards,
Alan

[Dave S.]

Re: 1971 Key envelope

Hi Daniel,
Nice Envelope!
I think it's interesting that the 2 envelopes that I have pictures of appear to be new/unused, have the glue, and have printing differences from Kevin's and your envelope which have no glue, but certainly appear to have been used.

Does anyone have any pictures of the the $5.00 envelope that a few of the vendors are presently selling?
Regards,
Alan

There are lots of originals (used and unused) with either one or two daubs of glue. The missing glue is new to me so I think we need to verify things as it relates to that particular detail. Remember, just because they are used does not make them original.
Dealers may have had extras of these which explains why some are unused but original pieces.

[Kevin G.]

Re: 1971 Key envelope

There are lots of originals (used and unused) with either one or two daubs of glue. The missing glue is new to me so I think we need to verify things as it relates to that particular detail. Remember, just because they are used does not make them original.
Dealers may have had extras of these which explains why some are unused but original pieces.

As I posted earlier, I have two known originals in my possession that have no evidence of glue. My theory is the machine that applied the glue simply ran out of adhesive, allowing some envelopes to make it through without the smears? I wasn't there to witness the machine or it's workings but I do believe it is wrong to deduct or note this during judging. The chance that a repo key envelope ended up in both the one owner car and a glove box package removed by a junkyard owner is slim to none......

[Dave S.]

Re: 1971 Key envelope

As I posted earlier, I have two known originals in my possession that have no evidence of glue. My theory is the machine that applied the glue simply ran out of adhesive, allowing some envelopes to make it through without the smears? I wasn't there to witness the machine or it's workings but I do believe it is wrong to deduct or note this during judging. The chance that a repo key envelope ended up in both the one owner car and a glove box package removed by a junkyard owner is slim to none......

Kevin,
Sorry to have pushed your button. My only point is that a sampling of a few does not make a fact.

[Kevin G.]

Re: 1971 Key envelope

Kevin,
Sorry to have pushed your button. My only point is that a sampling of a few does not make a fact.

Dave, No buttons pushed here. It's just my obnoxious way of speaking on line... You know my skin is as thick as a rino by now!

I can't agree more that a couple isn't enough but what I'm posting is fact and should be investigated further.

Sorry if if my words sounded out of place. Not the intent!
Finding these brand new would surprise me if they're originals...?

[Daniel K.]

Re: 1971 Key envelope

I am hopefully sitting down with the original owner and his wife later this summer to talk more about their ownership of the car from new until they sold to me a few weeks ago. I will add the topic of the key envelope to my list of questions. Other than the protect-o-plate, they certainly didn't make a big deal out of the key envelope or any of the other owner's packet items during the negotiation. (No license plate screw envelope, sadly.) Candidly, I don't think any of us knew the key envelope was still tucked into the owner's manual sleeve (a dealer item) when they handed off a crate of goodies to me. I realize asking the seller if the key envelope is a reproduction won't provide conclusive evidence, but I'll do it anyway and see what they have to say just for my own edification. Keeping in mind that the car still has its original 1971 New York plates and its original dealer plate frames around the plates (plus vanity NY plates reading 7T1 VETT which the car wore in the 80s I believe), these folks really just didn't throw much away over the years. They even saved most of the annual registration stickers.

[Dave S.]

Re: 1971 Key envelope

I am hopefully sitting down with the original owner and his wife later this summer to talk more about their ownership of the car from new until they sold to me a few weeks ago. I will add the topic of the key envelope to my list of questions. Other than the protect-o-plate, they certainly didn't make a big deal out of the key envelope or any of the other owner's packet items during the negotiation. (No license plate screw envelope, sadly.) Candidly, I don't think any of us knew the key envelope was still tucked into the owner's manual sleeve (a dealer item) when they handed off a crate of goodies to me. I realize asking the seller if the key envelope is a reproduction won't provide conclusive evidence, but I'll do it anyway and see what they have to say just for my own edification. Keeping in mind that the car still has its original 1971 New York plates and its original dealer plate frames around the plates (plus vanity NY plates reading 7T1 VETT which the car wore in the 80s I believe), these folks really just didn't throw much away over the years. They even saved most of the annual registration stickers.

Daniel,
look forward to hearing back. The original owner of my 13K original mile LT.-1 had a New York license plate ELTEONE when I bought it in 1998. Get it.?

[Daniel K.]

Re: 1971 Key envelope

That is really cool!