1967 Alternator Stator Color exposed plates.... revisited

[Richard M.]

This thread a few years ago discusses the Stator color of the exposed area between the cases.....

https://www.forums.ncrs.org/showthre...tator&uid=3506

In it it was noted that the color could be EITHER Caramel Color or Black in this post (Post #38)

The Judging Guide specifies Caramel Color.

Is Black now accepted as well?

Rich

[Gene M.]

Re: 1967 Alternator Stator Color exposed plates.... revisited

This thread a few years ago discusses the Stator color of the exposed area between the cases.....

https://www.forums.ncrs.org/showthre...tator&uid=3506

In it it was noted that the color could be EITHER Caramel Color or Black in this post (Post #38)

The Judging Guide specifies Caramel Color.

Is Black now accepted as well?

Rich

Rich,
I think you will find that the early cars 63 - early 66 were predominately black and early 66 - 68 were mostly the carmel coloring.

I'm pretty sure there is some outliners in the middle that are some of each. This is one of the restoration saturations that has gone unchallenged till as of late right here on this web site.

[Richard M.]

Re: 1967 Alternator Stator Color exposed plates.... revisited

Rich,
I think you will find that the early cars 63 - early 66 were predominately black and early 66 - 68 were the carmel coloring.

I'm pretty sure there is some outliners in the middle that are some of each. This is one of the restoration saturations that has gone unchallenged till as of late right here on this web site.

Hi Gene, Thanks. My brain is saturated also. I've spent the last hour or so scouring the archives. Here are some detail photos of this stator and I see no trace of black, but much of the shellac, which is what I think is the caramel color. A few pieces were loose and the picked off easily.

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I also restore Jaguar alternators, and even though oceans apart, they too used the caramel color coating. Note it's almost a perfect match to the Delco Stator coating. This is a NOS Butec Stator. Sorry for the non-GM reference but I had it on the shelf and recalled it's coating when the question arose.
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I have this product and I'm wondering if it would work..
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Rich

[Gene M.]

Re: 1967 Alternator Stator Color exposed plates.... revisited

Here is a discussion on the alternator stator:

https://www.forums.ncrs.org/showthre...-Color-Judging

[Richard M.]

Re: 1967 Alternator Stator Color exposed plates.... revisited

Here is a discussion on the alternator stator:

https://www.forums.ncrs.org/showthre...-Color-Judging

Yes that's one that I read and in post #13 it pointed to the thread I linked above. The one you reference above shows.......

Caramel, Black, Red, and Rust.

Maybe the JG needs to include all of those(okay, maybe not Rust), so I can get some sleep tonight.

Rich
I'm thinking I'll go with Caramel and try my $14 can of Home Depot Shellac. I wish I had some unfinished wood furniture so I could get my money's worth.

[Gerard F.]

Re: 1967 Alternator Stator Color exposed plates.... revisited

Rich,

I think you should go with Black. Both Black and Caramel should be acceptable. My original 67 was black although rusted. I changed it to Caramel to suit the Judging Guide when I replaced it with a later stator. Now I kick myself. WTF, how many vendors did they have for alternators in the 60's. It couldn't be all one vendor and all the same color unless the color was in the GM specs. I would doubt that.

[Joe L.]

Re: 1967 Alternator Stator Color exposed plates.... revisited

Rich,

I think you should go with Black. Both Black and Caramel should be acceptable. My original 67 was black although rusted. I changed it to Caramel to suit the Judging Guide when I replaced it with a later stator. Now I kick myself. WTF, how many vendors did they have for alternators in the 60's. It couldn't be all one vendor and all the same color unless the color was in the GM specs. I would doubt that.

Jerry------


There was only one vendor for alternators----Delco-Remy. However, there may have been different vendors to Delco-Remy for the coating used for the stator.

I believe that GE/Glyptal was at least one of the suppliers, if not the only supplier. There are many formulations of Glyptal and each had a unique color.

[Richard M.]

Re: 1967 Alternator Stator Color exposed plates.... revisited

I'm still on the fence. Thanks.

Today I'm gone from 5:30 AM until late tonight to assist at the Howey-In-The-Hills Chapter Judging Event. I have about a 2 hour ride each way so that'll give me more time to decide what to do. I will pay close attention to every alternator today and take some photos of the samples.

I'm thinking of coating with the caramel color and let it dry all day while I'm gone. If I later decide on the Black, I could easily dust it over the Shellac.

Thanks for the information.

Rich

[Timothy B.]

Re: 1967 Alternator Stator Color exposed plates.... revisited

Hi Richard,

I know this will bother you all day. :-) My vote is black, looks good and I know it was used so take that old shellac back.

[Nick C.]

Re: 1967 Alternator Stator Color exposed plates.... revisited

This thread a few years ago discusses the Stator color of the exposed area between the cases.....

https://www.forums.ncrs.org/showthre...tator&uid=3506

In it it was noted that the color could be EITHER Caramel Color or Black in this post (Post #38)

The Judging Guide specifies Caramel Color.

Is Black now accepted as well?

Rich

Rich, please review pg 149 of the 5th ed 1967 CTIM&JG. A similar description remains in the soon to be released 6th ed.

[Gene M.]

Re: 1967 Alternator Stator Color exposed plates.... revisited

Rich, please review pg 149 of the 5th ed 1967 CTIM&JG. A similar description remains in the soon to be released 6th ed.

Yes, the manual sure uses a lot of verbiage to say black or carmel color. Almost too much.

[Joe R.]

Re: 1967 Alternator Stator Color exposed plates.... revisited

Would not fight about the later C-2 stator color but I'll post several stators from the earlier years that are black without a doubt. And the black is not Glyptal but just black paint that looks like it was sprayed on the stator as the pattern is about a half inch wide. Glyptal was thick as it was used on the wiring to keep it in place and act as an insulator.

JR

[Richard M.]

Re: 1967 Alternator Stator Color exposed plates.... revisited

Rich, please review pg 149 of the 5th ed 1967 CTIM&JG. A similar description remains in the soon to be released 6th ed.

Thanks Nick, I did, several times, but it is a tad confusing. It says both, but after reading it several times I had doubt about what it was really trying to say. It says it is caramel, then it goes on to say original examples have been observed as black. I think it's a case of the need to eschew obfuscation. def (smirk face with appended smiley face)

Sounds like the obfuscation will be eschewed in the next release. (another smirk face with appended smiley face)

Yes, the manual sure uses a lot of verbiage to say black or carmel color. Almost too much.

Agreed.

Would not fight about the later C-2 stator color but I'll post several stators from the earlier years that are black without a doubt. And the black is not Glyptal but just black paint that looks like it was sprayed on the stator as the pattern is about a half inch wide. Glyptal was thick as it was used on the wiring to keep it in place and act as an insulator.

JR

Joe, Yes I'd like to see some. There were 13 midyears, a '62, and 1 '97 at Howey today. I photographed all C2 alternators....seen within all photos in this link.

http://s684.photobucket.com/user/richmz/library/Howey%202015

All were black except one. It was bare/slightly surface rusted. Of course these alternators were likely rebuilt at some point in their lives.

Rich

[Mike E.]

Re: 1967 Alternator Stator Color exposed plates.... revisited

Just looked at 3 693's, all unrebuilt, all with later 1966 dates (67 model year). 2 caramel, 1 black.

[Joe R.]

Re: 1967 Alternator Stator Color exposed plates.... revisited

Rich,
Will post the pics up the first of the week as I am out of town this weekend.

JR

Thanks Nick, I did, several times, but it is a tad confusing. It says both, but after reading it several times I had doubt about what it was really trying to say. It says it is caramel, then it goes on to say original examples have been observed as black. I think it's a case of the need to eschew obfuscation. def (smirk face with appended smiley face)

Sounds like the obfuscation will be eschewed in the next release. (another smirk face with appended smiley face)




Agreed.



Joe, Yes I'd like to see some. There were 13 midyears, a '62, and 1 '97 at Howey today. I photographed all C2 alternators....seen within all photos in this link.

http://s684.photobucket.com/user/richmz/library/Howey%202015

All were black except one. It was bare/slightly surface rusted. Of course these alternators were likely rebuilt at some point in their lives.

Rich