Judging question when JG has an error Re: 59 distributor design change over

[Dan B.]

I was curious how the judges would handle the judging portion of my 59 1110946 distributor change over question in my other post. Would they accept either distributor if it had a valid tag??? Would they follow the JG which in this instance is incorrect as proven by the existence of the parts themselves? Are cars being given full credit as long as their tag matches regardless?

I realize, this is an odd situation and that as far as I know, I am the first to raise this specific distributor issue, but I am interested in knowing how this will effect FUTURE judging as well. In other words, is someone making note of errors in the JG and how will that translate until (if) it is corrected in the next edition. In my opinion, there should be a list of updates available to all current members on items that are incorrect or will be updated in a future printing.

[Terry M.]

Re: Judging question when JG has an error Re: 59 distributor design change over

I was curious how the judges would handle the judging portion of my 59 1110946 distributor change over question in my other post. Would they accept either distributor if it had a valid tag??? Would they follow the JG which in this instance is incorrect as proven by the existence of the parts themselves? Are cars being given full credit as long as their tag matches regardless?

I realize, this is an odd situation and that as far as I know, I am the first to raise this specific distributor issue, but I am interested in knowing how this will effect FUTURE judging as well. In other words, is someone making note of errors in the JG and how will that translate until (if) it is corrected in the next edition. In my opinion, there should be a list of updates available to all current members on items that are incorrect or will be updated in a future printing.

You have some nice Judging Manual ideas. Perhaps you could volunteer to organize such an effort. The answer to your question about how the distributor is treated rests with the Team Leader. That is also the person to whom you can offer to volunteer your organizational skills.

List of Team Leaders and their contact information: https://www.ncrs.org/contact/index.php

[John T.]

Re: Judging question when JG has an error Re: 59 distributor design change over

I agree with Terry. The 1958-1960 manual is currently being revised. Your volunteering to share your knowledge would be very helpful. Use the contact information Terry posted and help the process.

John

[Dan B.]

Re: Judging question when JG has an error Re: 59 distributor design change over

I don't mind helping with new information, but don't they read any of the questions and issues posted here ? I would think this issue is now known by most since I posted this thread.

[Roy S.]

Re: Judging question when JG has an error Re: 59 distributor design change over

The answer to your question is a very small percentage of the membership read/participate in the discussion board. Those volunteering time and expertise to the manuals may be in a group that already provides their time via another avenue and therefore do not frequent this discussion board

[Terry M.]

Re: Judging question when JG has an error Re: 59 distributor design change over

I don't mind helping with new information, but don't they read any of the questions and issues posted here ? I would think this issue is now known by most since I posted this thread.

Roy is absolutely correct. The members who participate here number in the hundreds, while the membership as a whole is well into the tens of thousands. More importantly most Team Leaders do not peruse this board. The only way to be sure your comments reach those who are in a position to change the Judging Manual is to send your comments, along with your proof, to the appropriate National Team Leader.

[Dan B.]

Re: Judging question when JG has an error Re: 59 distributor design change over

Good to know how things work when it comes to getting revisions into future publications.

[Harry S.]

Re: Judging question when JG has an error Re: 59 distributor design change over

Roy is absolutely correct. The members who participate here number in the hundreds, while the membership as a whole is well into the tens of thousands. More importantly most Team Leaders do not peruse this board. The only way to be sure your comments reach those who are in a position to change the Judging Manual is to send your comments, along with your proof, to the appropriate National Team Leader.

I agree with Terry, I made some of the font bold to press a point. Proof is essential. I got some changes in one of the JG's but I had to have a large enough sampling of data to make it viable. I'm currently surveying for another change but I only can get 30 owners that believe a part is original to the car to respond. That's not enough, several hundred responses would be great. Also, engineering documentation, letters to the plant, etc also count.

[Loren L.]

Re: Judging question when JG has an error Re: 59 distributor design change over

I recently send a 4 page letter, referencing pages of the recently revised manual, citing as sources a 35K miles car I purchased form the original owner's widow that had been delivered here in Phoenix and my own car. I also included some TSB information that had not been referenced and some disagreements, citing the AIMs as well as the equipment on the two cars. My response was a Thanks and we'll look at it for the "next -revision". I thought I had been time transported back to the 15 year period where there were no changes to the 63-4 JG; which is now undergoing its what? 3rd change in 5 years?
Funny, but it seems like when ONLY John Amgwert was an employee, this organization could correct, publish and move to the correct position in 60 days. Now with $550K+ in salaries and losses every year, we're paralyzed. Maybe it's like Futo said "Be glad you were here when the only questions were about the car and how it was built.". Read quickly friends, this post will likely have a short life, Thanks to those who no longer answer questions.

[Dan B.]

Re: Judging question when JG has an error Re: 59 distributor design change over

The passenger cars and the Corvettes BOTH shared the SAME distributor housing for production of ALL 1110947 and 1110946 distributors of which how many tens of thousands were produced in 1959 alone between passenger cars alone. It is hard to believe that a major production change over on such a large scale should require proof to verify, surely a production change GM document must exist somewhere. I'd like to see some of the research that was done in the first place that overlooked this. From what I can tell, the changeover was some time in Feb 59, but not necessarily the same day for each distributor type depending on when the old inventory on the line was depleted.

[Tracy C.]

Re: Judging question when JG has an error Re: 59 distributor design change over

....In other words, is someone making note of errors in the JG and how will that translate until (if) it is corrected in the next edition. In my opinion, there should be a list of updates available to all current members on items that are incorrect or will be updated in a future printing.

We already have such a place record interim changes between manual revisions. If you can convince your team lead and get him / her to post the change here that is..

https://www.forums.ncrs.org/forumdisplay.php?89-Technical-Information-Manual-and-Judging-Guide-Errata-Sheets

[Dan H.]

Re: Judging question when JG has an error Re: 59 distributor design change over

Tracy, I think it's sad that feature isn't being used by anyone, a very valuable tool for the team leaders to put out information for all to see.

[John S.]

Re: Judging question when JG has an error Re: 59 distributor design change over

I was curious how the judges would handle the judging portion of my 59 1110946 distributor change over question in my other post. Would they accept either distributor if it had a valid tag??? Would they follow the JG which in this instance is incorrect as proven by the existence of the parts themselves? Are cars being given full credit as long as their tag matches regardless?

I realize, this is an odd situation and that as far as I know, I am the first to raise this specific distributor issue, but I am interested in knowing how this will effect FUTURE judging as well. In other words, is someone making note of errors in the JG and how will that translate until (if) it is corrected in the next edition. In my opinion, there should be a list of updates available to all current members on items that are incorrect or will be updated in a future printing.

before having my car judged I contacted the team leader on items that I differed with in the judging guide. getting a favorable response, I kept the email and presented it when the other judges had their doubts. it appears that you do not realize that past judging guides did have a updated sheet of changes before the next edition was available.

[Dan B.]

Re: Judging question when JG has an error Re: 59 distributor design change over

To me the real problem is for those who are just trying to restore their cars to original condition ( not trying to pass judging or win awards) and are using the JG purely as a reference source. It would be an impossible search for a part that does not exist for late 59 and 60 owners.

[Dan H.]

Re: Judging question when JG has an error Re: 59 distributor design change over

Well Dan, it's not a restoration guide, it's a reference manual for judges to assign points to parts that don't correspond to normal 'as seen' standards or known cars. What we used to due in the dark ages before there was a manual was look at original cars and learn what was appropriate to your car. It works!
Dan