C1 Reproduction Temperature Senders

[Peter M.]

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Hi Rich,
Sorry to hear of your health issues. I hope you can hang around here for a long time yet.
Kind regards

[Joe R.]

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JR, I'm a bit confused. There are many in Florida. Is there one in particular? You didn't add any kind of a smiley icon or other indicator that you were kidding around, so I'm not sure if you're kidding around or insinuating some undermining issue.

I guess there are many people, like you, and like me, that get on here to help people, have fun and share knowledge. We do it because we want to, not because we have to. You have a nice business and many folks here recommend you for your your excellent work, instrumentation restoration expertise and products. I myself have learned much from you over many years and appreciate what you've done to help me.

I have written a fair amount of DIY documents to help people do things themselves. I only have one issue with doing that for people. That is it may disturb people that are in the business to provide that service. I justify in my mind that there are people that will always go to a service business as they do not have the abilities or aptitude to do that task. There are some that have the desire and skills, but need a little more info to help them. This is why I like to do it.

I recommend yourself to others in emails and phone conversations as well. Many on this Board have also recommended you for your services. Our policy says we can do that, like I did for Ken's business, as I will always be a customer as he has good products and stands by his products with likely the best warranty in the industry. I also recommend some major suppliers due to their great customer service, especially these days with all of the reproduction parts issues we've all been dealing with.

I am a hobbyist and a passionate Corvette owner and restorer. I spent 30 years in the Electronics Industry and for longer than that have been playing with Corvettes. That was my therapy. Only 12 years ago after moving here to Florida after retirement did I get into restoring my own cars. Then my friends asked for help with their cars. Since I love to do this it's hard for me to say no.

Unfortunately, my physical abilities have digressed to a point that I cannot do major restorations any longer, even on my own cars. Time for my "Graying Period" I guess. There are many of us with this aging thing, both physical and mental. It stinks, but that's life. This '61 is my last restoration. My arthritis and cervical stenosis, pinched nerves in my neck and back issues has me in pain most of the time. Thank God my move to Florida had delayed my Northern painful life. Also very recently I've had some serious eye issues which really scared me. One eye stopped working one day back in December and I've been diagnosed with something that will keep me on optic medication forever. My body is simply telling me I won't be able to do this anymore. It's almost here. If my eyes go really bad, then no more pictures to post or things to write. I'd really hate not to be able to do that.

Rich

Rich,

One just for you!!!!!!

JR

[Leif A.]

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K & B Corvette Products in Georgia. Ken's not supposed to advertise here on the TDB so he's adhering to the rules. But I can mention it. See his ads in the Driveline.

So, Ken.... I was not ever aware you made these. You must be laughing hysterically at my thread.

I'll give you a call in the morning. I'll need one asap. I will not change another sender until I get yours.

Rich

Thanks Rich...I knew Ken was K&B but wasn't aware he sold directly to the public. I'll PM Ken regarding this...thanx again.

P.S. Be well, my friend

[Ken A.]

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LIC, CC, Zip, Paragon, EC, & all the gauge guys sell the correct sender and, they get better shipping rates than we do.

[Leif A.]

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LIC, CC, Zip, Paragon, EC, & all the gauge guys sell the correct sender and, they get better shipping rates than we do.

Ken,
This is what LIC is currently advertising.
Temperature Sender- (*no markings)(replacment)
*** 12/2014 - lectric ltd brand.
does not have the imprint/wording.

*NO guarantees on readings - NO RETURNS.
use the new adjustable resistor 22-17C if you need to calibrate resistor to gauge.

Paragon is selling yours with the 'AC - Made In The USA' logo.

[Larry M.]

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Ken,
This is what LIC is currently advertising.
Temperature Sender- (*no markings)(replacment)
*** 12/2014 - lectric ltd brand.
does not have the imprint/wording.

*NO guarantees on readings - NO RETURNS.
use the new adjustable resistor 22-17C if you need to calibrate resistor to gauge.

Paragon is selling yours with the 'AC - Made In The USA' logo.

Leif:

LICS also has a second sending unit they are selling and it has the logos. #22-17B. I suspect that this is the K&B one.

I just ordered it as a spare...........so I hope it will work as intended whenever I (or my heirs ) need it years from now. My original one is still going strong and reading correctly.

Larry

PS: Paragon also shows the sender with logos. CC does not list it at all. Zip has one that MIGHT be the K&B unit, but not enough detail to make a determination (at least for me). FWIW.

[Bob W.]

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Larry Yes i think CC sells it. Check page 54 lower left side. Part# 301083.

Bob

[Larry M.]

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Larry Yes i think CC sells it. Check page 54 lower left side. Part# 301083.

Bob

Bob:

I only checked CC on-line website this afternoon. They had every year sender except the one for our late C1 and C2 cars. I did not check their catalog. Thanks for the update.

Larry

[Jim D.]

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I called Zip and verified that the one they sell is indeed supplied by K&B.

[Bob W.]

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RICHARD sorry to hear this about health. I know what your talking about Iam 65 and this will be my last year working it seems every day some new pain. I hope the best for you as i enjoy reading everyone of your post. You are very helpfull to everyone. To you it seems there are NO DUMB QUESTIONS just good honest anwsers. Where in the north did you live iam in PA. KEEP ON POSTING!!!!

Bob

[Richard M.]

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Thanks Rich...I knew Ken was K&B but wasn't aware he sold directly to the public. I'll PM Ken regarding this...thanx again.

P.S. Be well, my friend

Leif,

If you use Ken's products and ever have a problem he is extremely receptive to help. I learned this about 3 years ago when I had a issue with a K&B TI Module I got from my supplier. My friend Chuck McSheehy had a TI equipped '65 fuelie convertible we just finished restoring, and a week later was getting Flight Judged at the Winter Regionals in Kissimmee. BTW this car is now owned by Chuck's old friend and my friend Dave Strickland from MA and has a awesome lineage and is likely one of the most documented '65 fuelies. Quick story.....(edit, well, maybe not so quick)

-Car bought new by a cop in NJ.
-Cop moves to CA with car.
-Comes out from dinner one night, goes to start car, no start, smells fuel, opens hood, 8 studs sticking up from inlet manifold, entire original vin stamped fuelie plenum assembly unit "GONE"! Somebody stole it!
-Gets replacement FI unit.
-Years later sells to a guy in CA named Luke Rizzuto, with all paperwork, POP, etc.
-Goes to Canada when he sells it, without the paperwork, POP, etc.
-Years later, Chuck buys it.
-Years later, Chuck reads Driveline ad Luke places, advertizing docs for his car.
-Chuck acquires it all, what a find.
-Chuck now owns car 20 years, put about 200 miles on it all those years, decides to restore it. I help him.
-Jim Gessner calls me one day while Chuck is nearing completion, engine running fine, etc. Jim has '65 FI database and knows Chucks vin. Jim spots Craigslist ad in Utah for 1965 FI unit....with Chuck's vin# on it !!!. It's the stolen unit when the cop owned it. I give Jim Chuck's phone #. They talk. Chuck calls me. We talk it over. Unbelievable. What a story. The stolen fuelie unit from around 30 years ago, shows up on Craigslist.
-The replacement unit on the car is working fine after Chuck rebuilt it during restoration. What should he do? Keep that, or get the original for the upcoming Regional? Tough decision.
-Chuck responds to ad and calls the guy. He and seller haggle it out, but Chuck has a ace in the hole, and Chuck ends up telling the guy it's stolen property. Guy wants way too much money. No deal.
-Luke eventually wants to buy his car back if Chuck ever sells, a deal Chuck and he discussed years prior. So Luke buys the unit from the Utah guy.
-Chuck has second thoughts, and decides to get it back, buys it from Luke, rebuilds it in a few days, we put it on the car, all good. Original FI unit, stolen years prior when the cop owned it, is now back on the car.
-Chuck tunes it, I'm there with him, looking on in amazement as he gets it running great and all good.
-After the TI hiccup, with new module Ken sent me, running great, arrive at Kissimmee.
-Luke drives his own Maroon '65 365hp AC convertible with his buddy John Quam from CA to Florida Regional, 3,000+ miles, gets it judged next to his old '65 fuelie now owned by Chuck......with it's original FI unit back on the car! Luke gets longest driven Award.
- We had a blast that week, the 4 of us. Dinners, Mecum Auction, etc. This was 2014.
-When Chuck was ill and failing, he called Luke to offer car to him, their original agreement. Luke had to pass but appreciated Chuck's call.
-Chuck's buddy from MA buys the car.
-A search entails for original owner cop.
-Bill Gould finds him, the cop, now retired in Florida.
-Cop gets a call from new owner.
-He talks to the cop and gets the whole story, from 50 years ago. Unreal.

(sorry, I got carried away but the keyboard kept going) Back to the TI issue.....

It had a subtle ignition blip at certain conditions. We verified it was the TI module by swapping in the original GM TI module and problem went away. I called Ken. He was great. That is when he told me he has a lifetime warranty on his products.......everything.

He told me to send it back to him and he'd send me a replacement. I did. This was a Friday IIRC. A few says later I got the replacement from him and problem solved! We took the car to the Regionals, ran great on the road, perfect OPs tests, Top F'd.

I called Zip and verified that the one they sell is indeed supplied by K&B.

Yesterday Ken told me the same thing. Zip doesn't have a full description but that's the K&B part. I just bought 2, one for this '61, one for my '59 to keep as a spare.

Rich

[Leif A.]

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Leif:

LICS also has a second sending unit they are selling and it has the logos. #22-17B. I suspect that this is the K&B one.

I just ordered it as a spare...........so I hope it will work as intended whenever I (or my heirs ) need it years from now. My original one is still going strong and reading correctly.

Larry

PS: Paragon also shows the sender with logos. CC does not list it at all. Zip has one that MIGHT be the K&B unit, but not enough detail to make a determination (at least for me). FWIW.

Thanks Larry. That appears to be the K&B product. I don't know why it didn't pull up when I first looked. I will order as a backup to my current working unit.

[Mark E.]

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Rich,

Thank you for this thread. I learned a lot.

In 2014 I naively replaced the sending unit in my '70 LS-5 with a new one from NAPA. PN TS6469SB; $8.05.

It's a button style unit similar in appearance to your photos. This thread suggests it may be the same application as your car.

Dumb luck maybe, but it SEEMS to work ok. I haven't checked it with an IR gun or other means, but it seems accurate- from cold start, the gauge slowly moves up until it reaches about 160* (thermostat setting), then stays there until/unless it's idling or running hard in hot weather. In those cases, it may creep up and stabilize a bit below or above the 210* mark.

So in this case, the sender seems to perform the same below or above 180*, i.e., no apparent nonlinear readings.

Just another data point suggesting some aftermarket senders may be ok.

[John D.]

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Rich, God bless you in our ailments. I have had to slow down in my work also. My feeble mind says go full blast. And car owners, etc demand it. But working with boo coo arthritis is the pits. Here's what keeps me going. Tylenol Arthritis. I take two of 650 MG a day. But only when I am going out or in severe pain. Losing 50 pounds has helped also with my spinal issues. But it could be worse for us you know. Still walking and not confined to a wheel chair. Still answering tons of phone calls.
Temperature sending units. With an FI restoration I attempt to stay away from furnishing them . Joe Ray stuck me with 5 of them and I do have to say two customers are satisifed with them. the other three I haven't used yet.

Remember not to use an worthless white tape or chemicals when installing them. I do have one cheater that seems to work. Loctite 290. The watery green stuff.

Another trick to working at the workbench for many hours with pain is to alternate between standing and sitting on a stool. When I sit on the stool I plant my feet firmly on the floor. All this helps. John

[Frank D.]

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Cripes Rich - Soooo sorry you're having health issues. Your help has been beyond priceless on my '61 and '63. You and Mike Coletta are two of the 'iron men' of our hobby that I know well personally. None of us are getting any younger. My lift addition has extended my abilities a bit but the clock is ticking for sure.

My '61 temp unit was always 'dead nuts' on and I knew how fortunate I was in that regard.

At any rate I'd call Carol at Grossmuellers and see if she might have an original around - she has certainly bailed me out before; just a thought...
Fuelie Dave is another source - I know he has a '56 NOS unit 1513130 on his site right now... But, as noted, even an original might not be that great....