GM to dump internal combustion engines

[Robert L.]

Are we ready for an all electric Corvette?

MCMLVII

[Michael J.]

Re: GM to dump internal combustion engines

That's when I start buying something else.

[Duke W.]

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Goofy Jerry Brown want's to outlaw IC engine cars in CA by 2040. Mary Nichols, CA's CARB dictator wants to do it via the regulatory process to bypass the legislative process that might result in some pushback due to constituent pressure.

Unless an electric car can achieve at least 300 miles range and fully recharge in five to ten minutes, they aren't viable as general purpose vehicles suitable for local driving and long highway trips. Also, what about pickup trucks, and SUVs that make up nearly half of new vehicle sales.

My neighbor across the street wants to replace her Tahoe with a Suburban because with three little kids, she's running out of room to haul around the kids and all their stuff.

Also, there is not enough electric power generation and transmission capacity to support a large fleet of electric cars, and it will cost hundreds of billions of dollars to upgrade generation and transmission capacity.

I scoff at the vain and stupid "zero emissions" stickers on all the Teslas around here. Electric power generation creates emissions (I'm talking HC, CO, and NOx. CO2 is NOT an emission/pollutant. Without CO2 in the atmosphere there would be no plant life, and with no plant life there would be no higher forms of life like us.), and the difference when you factor in generation efficiency and transmission loses is not that much.

Duke

[Gene M.]

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Are we ready for an all electric Corvette?

MCMLVII

The answer is simple ..................no.

The Tesla is too costly. And what about battery life?

But understand it is stupid fast.

The other stuff out there is a joke.

[Larry E.]

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Until they can figure the battery problem out they are 50-60 years away on this idea.JHMO Larry

[Michael J.]

Re: GM to dump internal combustion engines

Goofy Jerry Brown want's to outlaw IC engine cars in CA by 2040. Mary Nichols, CA's CARB dictator wants to do it via the regulatory process to bypass the legislative process that might result in some pushback due to constituent pressure.

Unless an electric car can achieve at least 300 miles range and fully recharge in five to ten minutes, they aren't viable as general purpose vehicles suitable for local driving and long highway trips. Also, what about pickup trucks, and SUVs that make up nearly half of new vehicle sales.

My neighbor across the street wants to replace her Tahoe with a Suburban because with three little kids, she's running out of room to haul around the kids and all their stuff.

Also, there is not enough electric power generation and transmission capacity to support a large fleet of electric cars, and it will cost hundreds of billions of dollars to upgrade generation and transmission capacity.

I scoff at the vain and stupid "zero emissions" stickers on all the Teslas around here. Electric power generation creates emissions (I'm talking HC, CO, and NOx. CO2 is NOT an emission/pollutant. Without CO2 in the atmosphere there would be no plant life, and with no plant life there would be no higher forms of life like us.), and the difference when you factor in generation efficiency and transmission loses is not that much.

Duke

+1, well said Duke!

[Michael L.]

Re: GM to dump internal combustion engines

Goofy Jerry Brown want's to outlaw IC engine cars in CA by 2040. Mary Nichols, CA's CARB dictator wants to do it via the regulatory process to bypass the legislative process that might result in some pushback due to constituent pressure.

Unless an electric car can achieve at least 300 miles range and fully recharge in five to ten minutes, they aren't viable as general purpose vehicles suitable for local driving and long highway trips. Also, what about pickup trucks, and SUVs that make up nearly half of new vehicle sales.

My neighbor across the street wants to replace her Tahoe with a Suburban because with three little kids, she's running out of room to haul around the kids and all their stuff.

Also, there is not enough electric power generation and transmission capacity to support a large fleet of electric cars, and it will cost hundreds of billions of dollars to upgrade generation and transmission capacity.

I scoff at the vain and stupid "zero emissions" stickers on all the Teslas around here. Electric power generation creates emissions (I'm talking HC, CO, and NOx. CO2 is NOT an emission/pollutant. Without CO2 in the atmosphere there would be no plant life, and with no plant life there would be no higher forms of life like us.), and the difference when you factor in generation efficiency and transmission loses is not that much.

Duke

Very well said Duke. Don't forget all the heavy metal poisoning of the environment making all those stupid batteries. For widespread usage electric cars are the stupidest idea ever IMHO. It is amazing how huge sections of the economy can be totally transformed, with a high degree of significant economic damage being done, on a complete and total LIE like so called Global Warming. Even IF the Global Warming crap were 100% verified true (which is impossible), these actions would have ZERO impact on world temperatures, since the rest of the world will go right on using oil and coal, because it's cheap and plentiful. What a joke.

[Duke W.]

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I'm not against electric cars. They make sense for some. In fact, an electric would meet 95 percent of my driving needs, but I have plenty of vintage cars to last the duration, and I enjoy driving them.

The few folks I know who own electrics are affluent and have multiple vehicles usually including an SUV or pickup. The electric is used for commuting (usually less than 20 miles round trip) and local errands where they don't need to haul a lot of stuff. But what about less affluent people/families that can only afford one or two general purpose vehicles?

The problem is government mandates that continue to erode individual freedom for pie-in-the-sky goals. Let the free market decide based on individual needs, not government mandates and subsidies.

Duke

[Michael J.]

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Yes, the major problem is the government dictating what car you drive (in this case paying you our tax money to buy these cars), the market (as in you personally as the driver) should be making that decision. If I lived in a big, crowded city with trips less than 100 miles and you could recharge overnight at home, it might make some sense. But since most all my travel is long highway trips (many times towing a Corvette in a trailer), they are totally impractical. I have heard financial analysts describe a typical Tesla customer as rabidly loyal, latest gadget oriented, and irrational when it comes to economics, the environment, and practicality.

[Dick G.]

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I believe in Climate Change. Its called the Weather.
I also hate the way we are forced into buying ethanol added fuel. Living in Texas now, its difficult to find Ethanol Free gas. Most say: This Fuel May Contain Ethanol or it may not?

[Ian G.]

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Tesla S P100D beat all the other cars in a sprint: http://www.motortrend.com/cars/tesla...948#sf54783948

Heresy I know. Did you know Tesla's three models spell S.3.X.? nice!

[Michael J.]

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I believe in Climate Change. Its called the Weather.
I also hate the way we are forced into buying ethanol added fuel. Living in Texas now, its difficult to find Ethanol Free gas. Most say: This Fuel May Contain Ethanol or it may not?

Dick, lots of ethanol free gas in Texas, here is a list of stations, one has to be near you: https://www.pure-gas.org/index.jsp?stateprov=TX

[Mike E.]

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I take all these predictions with a grain of salt. Remember this one?



Almost half a century we're still waiting. It may actually happen in a few years, who knows?

I'll wager internal combustion engine will be around the rest of most of our lifetimes. You see and hear a lot about autonomous driving cars and in 5 years most cars will be doing it. Perhaps on a wide open freeway, but urban traffic where there can be anything from school speed zones that vary in time, Construction areas, pot holes, poor weather conditions and countless other issues that could be a disaster. No way is that going to happen in 5 years.

Mike

[Jim D.]

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Interesting how electric cars are faster/quicker than gas powered. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7vTCK9ywBA It would run circles around the fastest Corvettes ever built.

[Michael J.]

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Interesting how electric cars are faster/quicker than gas powered. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7vTCK9ywBA It would run circles around the fastest Corvettes ever built.

In acceleration, yes they are quick, great 0--60 and 1/4 mile times, but like a golf cart, they top out quickly, as an electric motor develops 100% of its' torque on starting. The ZR1s, Porsche 911 Turbo s, etc. will always beat these electric gadgets at top end. No contest.