1963 Waterpump

[Dino L.]

Can anyone confirm the application of GM part number 3824059

[Edward J.]

Re: 1963 Waterpump

Dino, I googled the part no. and I found a small article on the pump( Tracy Performance). interesting if its is the aluminum pump.

[Joe L.]

Re: 1963 Waterpump

Can anyone confirm the application of GM part number 3824059

Dino-----


GM #3824059 was never a SERVICE-available part number. So, either it was a PRODUCTION-only part number, a part number for a component of an assembly, or a never-released part number. If it was a released part number, it would have been released about 1963.

[Alan D.]

Re: 1963 Waterpump

Some more info over on the Corvette Forum (can I say that?)
Also search NCRS, some history here.
from CF
"The 3824059 was never used on any production Chevrolet cars. It was, however, used on some other Chevrolet projects. Many were handed out to race teams in the early/mid 60's. If it were dated correctly, it would also be correct for the five Grand Sport cars and several other back room projects of the era."

Hay, I'll give you $20 for it

[Joe L.]

Re: 1963 Waterpump

Some more info over on the Corvette Forum (can I say that?)
Also search NCRS, some history here.
from CF
"The 3824059 was never used on any production Chevrolet cars. It was, however, used on some other Chevrolet projects. Many were handed out to race teams in the early/mid 60's. If it were dated correctly, it would also be correct for the five Grand Sport cars and several other back room projects of the era."

Hay, I'll give you $20 for it

Alan or Dino------


Where does this 3824059 number appear? Is it embossed on the water pump casting, as I suspect? If so, that's not a part number for a water pump assembly. It's simply a part number for the raw casting. The pump assembly should have had a part number, too, even if it was never available in SERVICE or used in PRODUCTION. The only way to know if this pump was ever actually available in SERVICE would be to know what that part number was.

[Dino L.]

Re: 1963 Waterpump

It is aluminum with winters casting mark, dated 5 17 63 has a code E J, what block would it fit? Joe it is a part number of the casting only

[Jim L.]

Re: 1963 Waterpump

3824059 aluminum pumps were used on the Grand Sports and they were available over the counter. I have had and have seen several of them. The earliest one I've seen is dated late 1962 and the latest one I've seen is dated 1966. There were two designs for the casting but the differences in the castings can not be seen once the pump is installed. The pump fits small blocks. I have no idea what the assembly number might have been; 3824059 is prominently cast into the pump and that's how the pump is generally known.

Jim

[Joe L.]

Re: 1963 Waterpump

3824059 aluminum pumps were used on the Grand Sports and they were available over the counter. I have had and have seen several of them. The earliest one I've seen is dated late 1962 and the latest one I've seen is dated 1966. There were two designs for the casting but the differences in the castings can not be seen once the pump is installed. The pump fits small blocks. I have no idea what the assembly number might have been; 3824059 is prominently cast into the pump and that's how the pump is generally known.

Jim

Jim-------


There's one on eBay right now. The seller is asking $6,500 for it. It might be worth that much to one of the owners of the 5 original Grand Sports. For anyone else, he's dreaming. It's not original for any PRODUCTION application and, as far as retrofit goes, there are much better small block aluminum waterpumps currently available for less than 200 bucks.

[Jim L.]

Re: 1963 Waterpump

Jim-------


There's one on eBay right now. The seller is asking $6,500 for it. It might be worth that much to one of the owners of the 5 original Grand Sports. For anyone else, he's dreaming. It's not original for any PRODUCTION application and, as far as retrofit goes, there are much better small block aluminum waterpumps currently available for less than 200 bucks.

I've seen that one , Joe and, in my not always humble opinion, he's smokin' sumpthin' if he thinks he'll get any amount anywhere close to that. The pumps show up on EPay far too often for them to be worth that kind of money. In fact, I've seen some struggle to fetch $100.

I agree that these were never used in production so that has resulted in a lack of modern demand for them. They work fine, however. I have one on my road racing engine and have never had a cooling issue.

If there was a '60s-era publication similar to the Chevy Power series, I bet these pumps would have been listed there. There are far too many of the pumps "out there" for knowledge of their availability back in the day to have been just word of mouth.

Jim

[Joe L.]

Re: 1963 Waterpump

I've seen that one , Joe and, in my not always humble opinion, he's smokin' sumpthin' if he thinks he'll get any amount anywhere close to that. The pumps show up on EPay far too often for them to be worth that kind of money. In fact, I've seen some struggle to fetch $100.

I agree that these were never used in production so that has resulted in a lack of modern demand for them. They work fine, however. I have one on my road racing engine and have never had a cooling issue.

If there was a '60s-era publication similar to the Chevy Power series, I bet these pumps would have been listed there. There are far too many of the pumps "out there" for knowledge of their availability back in the day to have been just word of mouth.

Jim

Jim-------


I have no doubt that the 3824059 will work OK. It's just that for a retrofit situation I'd much prefer a modern aluminum waterpump (e.g. Edelbrock, Weiand, etc.). It appears to me that the 3824059 uses the earlier style 5/8" shaft/small bearing assembly. The current aftermarket aluminum pumps use the 3/4" shaft/large bearing assembly (like all original 1971+ GM small block waterpumps).

Is the 3/4" shaft necessary? No, it's not necessary. Millions of small blocks worked OK with the 5/8" shaft pumps. However, GM did not change to the 3/4" shaft pumps in 1971 because the 5/8" shaft was just as good. In a situation where originality is not an issue, I'll always go with the 3/4" shaft pumps. And, of course, originality is never an issue when a 3824059 pump is used.

[Jim L.]

Re: 1963 Waterpump

And, of course, originality is never an issue when a 3824059 pump is used.

Weeeelllllllll, owners of real Grand Sports and owners of repop Grand Sports who want them to look real might not agree with you, Joe.