Sharing common errors of restored cars

[Jaime G.]

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This info in from my respected physician.
Re ribs & GM logo on heater hose



Interesting that every GM radiator hose bears a GM logo as well as the 2 letter code for the actual supplier to GM. As the number of rubber manufacturers increased worldwide, a new ID system was added. The fabric yarns used in these hoses for reinforcement was color coded to ID different suppliers. Not just one color, but several yarn colors in combination would ID a specific plant.
Now this is all irrelevant, as NCRS has their own conclusions. That is one reason why I guarantee nothing for NCRS. It does not matter what is; what matters is what NCRS says they will award or deduct for appropriate. And as you know, nothing is static with regard to judging parameters over time.

Just because a GM logo appears on a part, absolutely does not indicate that GM actually manufactured that part.
G. Coenen
PS Decades ago Corbin was sold to a company conveniently located in Bridgeport, CT. Using your index finger measurement, theses have the same size wings. They are no longer in business. After the patent expired or under license of the parent, others began clamp production and anything could have varied slightly. I have only noticed that the OD of the spring steel wire itself was thinner on some non-Corbin manufactured clamps. The Yellow & Orange dyes do vary somewhat if one examines with a Pantone color chart. My personal view is that, this is no different that the 12 or 15 or whatever the number is with regard to the various shades of Black that were recognized in aftermarket books on Corvettes.

Brian, after nearly 20 years of membership, I have witnessed history rewritten when it comes to NCRS judging so often that it just glides past me today. I, like you, am beyond the correctness and incorrectness battles. Lets have fun and enjoy the cars and stop worrying about the shade of the finish on the Corbin clamps.

[David R.]

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Originally Posted by Dick Whittington (8804)
Amen! We are running car owners off because of the nit picking.

And the hostile attitudes.

[Brian M.]

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And the hostile attitudes.

I'm glad I don't own a 63.

[James G.]

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I've learned to never say never ever.

I learned not so long ago that the only absolute is: Absolutely never speak in absolutes.

[Loren L.]

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Just a gol-darned minute, now - is somebody saying the St Louis Assembly Plant was not RESTORING cars..........where'd I put that shotgun........

[Joe R.]

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Gee Loren, I thought they were manufacturing Corvettes for GM on Union Wages!

So GM could make a ton of money!

They were really sweating the details!

JR

[Frank D.]

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Brian, after nearly 20 years of membership, I have witnessed history rewritten when it comes to NCRS judging so often that it just glides past me today. I, like you, am beyond the correctness and incorrectness battles. Lets have fun and enjoy the cars and stop worrying about the shade of the finish on the Corbin clamps.

Amen! Debates such as above are just not going to end or change many minds...

[Dick W.]

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Amen! Debates such as above are just not going to end or change many minds...

And they will never learn that there are no absolutes in assembly line procedures and components or in what the workers actually did. Same with paint, there were variations in shades and hues, depending on humidity, air pressure, workers skills, etc.

Anal retentive judges are running members off the judging fields who will ultimately drop their memberships because of the disgust with the judging.

[Ray G.]

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Loren;
Think you left the shotgun at my place.

I strongly agree with the idea that we are running owners and Corvettes off with the nit-picking clamp coloring ETC and judging in absolutes.

just my .02
Ray

[Jeff B.]

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I bought my 67 in 1978, when at the time it was just a used car, that the owner didn't want to drive anymore. Said he couldn't afford $1.00 gas. This car is basically unrestored and totally original, except for routine maintenance and parts replaced when needed. It is a driver. Have never had it judged, and would probably be run off the field. Granted, the absolute untouched original cars are very few and far between, they are a joy to behold. Anyone who aspires to restore one to those standards face a daunting task. Nonetheless, this strict criteria must be established in order to set a goal.

[Michael J.]

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I bought my 67 in 1978, when at the time it was just a used car, that the owner didn't want to drive anymore. Said he couldn't afford $1.00 gas. This car is basically unrestored and totally original, except for routine maintenance and parts replaced when needed. It is a driver. Have never had it judged, and would probably be run off the field. Granted, the absolute untouched original cars are very few and far between, they are a joy to behold. Anyone who aspires to restore one to those standards face a daunting task. Nonetheless, this strict criteria must be established in order to set a goal.

I judged a car just like that at the SoCal chapter meet, it was in Concours Stock class, and did very well, replaced parts, road grease and all. Over 100K miles and driven regularly, no problem.

[Patrick H.]

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This car is basically unrestored and totally original, except for routine maintenance and parts replaced when needed. It is a driver. Have never had it judged, and would probably be run off the field.

Most owners who have original cars like yours are pleasantly surprised at how well their cars do in judging. Top Flight cars can have a lot more "wrong with them" than you'd think to still make the cut. I'd encourage you to consider it some time as I think you might enjoy it.

The only cars I've seen "run off the field" are due to repro/counterfeit VIN tags or Trim Tags. Even then, they can stay for display but just don't get judged.

[Jeff B.]

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Michael & Patrick -
Thanks for your words of encouragement. I may indeed look into some type of NCRS judging. I do participate in local car shows, but find most of these a beauty and cleanliness contest. The old saying of being original only once, absolutely mirrors my car, but after 50 years (about 30 years of "daily" driving, it shows its patina. This does not seem to play well at local cruise-ins and car shows.
I am motivated.

[Chester K.]

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Hello Gene,....Appreciate your insight regarding Corbin Clamps.
Early this year, you stated that "The Corbin

[Edward J.]

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I find this a interesting thread, there are some real knowledgeable people and long time NCRS members here, I think that we have loss sight of the when judging corvettes (As it left the factory). with said there is not many cars that are unrestored and untouched Corvettes To write the judging manuals, solely on a few cars is hard to do when we have so little to go on, hence the problems here on what is correct and is not, So there is really room for small items that may not be totally correct; some of the items being tossed around here and are truly not worth deductions, a comment is all that needed, and take that with a grain of salt, who knows what is or in is not unless you were building these cars in the 60'S on the assembly line. The JM's are just guides to restore our cars and are not always correct as we know.