A Dull Subject

[Rick R.]

Requesting you expertise regarding which paint areas on a '67 coupe need to be "dulled down" for the "body paint" area of judging. I have the TIM/JG but need some more info. I believe these areas include the hood margin and the rear door jams on the body side. What about the front and rear jambs on the doors themselves? The area on the body where the door hinges mount? How about the gutter around the engine compartment? Roof drip channels? I'd appreciate a list before I set about ruining my new paint job, lol. Am interested in exactly what areas you judges expect to be dull, and also would be great to hear any members' experiences having their car judged in this aspect of body paint. Thank you.

[Don H.]

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Rick-
a question like this is a sure bet to trigger a variety of answers that will result in an entertaining thread, because the subject of paint judging makes member's heads explode. While you watch for those answers, may I suggest you read the similar threads listed at the bottom of this page. Then for even more fun, take some time to read this old thread by another member who asked the next question you will ask; "how" to dull the jams, gutters and door ends. https://www.forums.ncrs.org/showthre...731#post616731

[Frank D.]

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Gads! Not the 'hair spray' wars again...

[Rick R.]

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Guys, I've already done my share of reading on this subject and am aware of the views of different camps regarding the judging rules and BC/CC. Before we get way out into the weeds, understand that I'm not at all sure that dulling is something I would actually want to follow through on and do for the sake of an award. If so, my painter and I could figure out the "how." At this moment, I'm simply trying to get an idea on what areas of the car are applicable besides door jambs. Thank you.

[Harry S.]

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Rick, think of it this way. The car was originally painted with lacquer. The entire car dried the same color nothing was dulled down. Saying that, the car was buffed on the assembly line. The buffer brought a higher shine to the car where it touched the car. Leaving everything else not as shiny as what was buffed. Walk around your car and imagine where the buffer did not touch or could not touch the paint. Keep in mind the belt line and lazy guys not wanting to bend over to buff a car on the line.

[Paul D.]

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I've read on this forum before that nothing below the center beltline on 63-67 was buffed, but I could see the person running the buffer getting the area between front and rear wheels if paint looked particularly "dry". Chip.

[Phillip M.]

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My understanding was that the freshly painted car was put in a heated, sealed area (oven), to cause the lacquer to "reflow". This reflow process produced a certain gloss level to all painted surfaces. The upper surfaces, which were most readily seen, were the ones which were buffed.

[Harry S.]

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I've read on this forum before that nothing below the center beltline on 63-67 was buffed, but I could see the person running the buffer getting the area between front and rear wheels if paint looked particularly "dry". Chip.

My understanding was that the freshly painted car was put in a heated, sealed area (oven), to cause the lacquer to "reflow". This reflow process produced a certain gloss level to all painted surfaces. The upper surfaces, which were most readily seen, were the ones which were buffed.

Agree, I was trying to avoid listing specific areas like the valances, drip rails etc. Essentially if the car was never buffed it would be all dull compared to a buffed car sitting next to it.

[Michael J.]

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There have been many chapter judging schools on this issue, given the recent changes in paint judging. You could try and attend one or locate some materials your chapter may have from previous ones. This is a difficult subject to illustrate, as mentioned, exterior judges usually have seen many original cars (Bowtie in the case of the C1, C2, C3s) and know what it should look like. Here are some pictures taken recently of a '67, low mile Bowtie car to illustrate what original paint looks like, metallics are the hardest to get right to look original. Good luck.

[Dick W.]

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Requesting you expertise regarding which paint areas on a '67 coupe need to be "dulled down" for the "body paint" area of judging. I have the TIM/JG but need some more info. I believe these areas include the hood margin and the rear door jams on the body side. What about the front and rear jambs on the doors themselves? The area on the body where the door hinges mount? How about the gutter around the engine compartment? Roof drip channels? I'd appreciate a list before I set about ruining my new paint job, lol. Am interested in exactly what areas you judges expect to be dull, and also would be great to hear any members' experiences having their car judged in this aspect of body paint. Thank you.

I think the word dull is a bit harsh. The gloss of properly applied lacquer is about 70% +/-. We had several cars go through NCRS judging and BG with no problems. We used the manufacturers flattening agent mixed to eggshell/70% gloss. Both front and rear jams, bottom of gas cap lid, hood ledge, inside of doors, etc.

[Rick R.]

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Excellent, informative posts. Much appreciated!