Early 66 Coupe with Type II (65) Jack?

[Peter M.]

My 1966 November 1965 built Coupe appears quite original - retaining its complete original interior including carpets, dash pad, seats, seat belts, door panels and headliner and painted trim.





When inspecting the jack area it also appears unmolested and also has its original never used original gold line spare tire/wheel in the tire tub. - I noted that the the original paint jack is the Type II with the sealed bearing up front, the canted leading top edge with "A" stamp, the 3/4 nut. Type II is stated in the NCRS judging guide (3rd addition) as 1965 only - also my jack retainer spring tie down hook is a single loop attached at the end of the spring. My 1966 was built November 10, 1965 so I believe that they likely used 1965 jack, jack handle (single hole) and retainer hook as it is an early 1966.



I just ordered from NCRS the 5th edition 1966 guide so will check that as well. In then meantime ...



Do you have knowledge or actual experience that a November 10th 1965 built 1966 car with this jack set up is reasonable and correct vs typical 1966 Type III nylon washer sandwiched between two steel washer set up and double end retainer spring ?



Many thanks in advance for your thoughts on this.



Happy New Year to you!

[Mike B.]

Re: Early 66 Coupe with Type III (65) Jack?

Good Morning Peter,

Sorry, I don't have the info you're searching for. But I've heard of early '66 Corvettes with '65 style jacks installed.

My car was built a few weeks after yours and her jack, handle and spring were missing when I bought her 30 years ago. Only the broken end of the attached spring remained. I for one would really appreciate photos of your jack, handle and hold down spring if you have any to share.

The information would really help my research in what to install back in my car.

Thanks,
Mike

[Peter M.]

Re: Early 66 Coupe with Type III (65) Jack?

Good Morning Peter,

Sorry, I don't have the info you're searching for. But I've heard of early '66 Corvettes with '65 style jacks installed.

My car was built a few weeks after yours and her jack, handle and spring were missing when I bought her 30 years ago. Only the broken end of the attached spring remained. I for one would really appreciate photos of your jack, handle and hold down spring if you have any to share.

The information would really help my research in what to install back in my car.

Thanks,
Mike

Happy to share - here are the pictures of my jack set hold down spring and end to follow

[Mike B.]

Re: Early 66 Coupe with Type III (65) Jack?

Thanks Peter,

Great shots. I've got a couple of questions about your '66. So as not to take away from your thread here I'm sending you a Private Message.

Looking forward to your hold down spring shots here.

Mike

[Gary S.]

Re: Early 66 Coupe with Type III (65) Jack?

For what it is worth, here is a picture I took in 2002 of a 66 VIN 5831, 425 convertible in the hands of a private owner before it was ever judged. Car showed 25K miles, original motor, paint, interior etc. Can't see the jack handle and it has a double loop. In 2012 (or close) it was awarded 4 Bowties.

[Richard F.]

Re: Early 66 Coupe with Type III (65) Jack?

Peter

Production line supplies needed to be exhausted before or during installation of updated parts. It's not uncommon for early cars to have previous year parts and late cars to have following year parts, thus the NCRS re-writes TIM/JM (manuals).

Rich

[Peter M.]

Re: Early 66 Coupe with Type III (65) Jack?

Makes perfect sense - I hope the judges have that sense as well!

[Richard F.]

Re: Early 66 Coupe with Type III (65) Jack?

Peter

It's up to us as members to participate in updating each manual with observations of known originality. Each TIM/JM team past and present as contributed to the progression of the TIM/JM but we are limited to original cars and owners who are willing to participate. You just participated, Thanks.

Rich

[Jaime G.]

Re: Early 66 Coupe with Type III (65) Jack?

My 1966 November 1965 built Coupe appears quite original - retaining its complete original interior including carpets, dash pad, seats, seat belts, door panels and headliner and painted trim.





When inspecting the jack area it also appears unmolested and also has its original never used original gold line spare tire/wheel in the tire tub. - I noted that the the original paint jack is the Type II with the sealed bearing up front, the canted leading top edge with "A" stamp, the 3/4 nut. Type II is stated in the NCRS judging guide (3rd addition) as 1965 only - also my jack retainer spring tie down hook is a single loop attached at the end of the spring. My 1966 was built November 10, 1965 so I believe that they likely used 1965 jack, jack handle (single hole) and retainer hook as it is an early 1966.



I just ordered from NCRS the 5th edition 1966 guide so will check that as well. In then meantime ...



Do you have knowledge or actual experience that a November 10th 1965 built 1966 car with this jack set up is reasonable and correct vs typical 1966 Type III nylon washer sandwiched between two steel washer set up and double end retainer spring ?



Many thanks in advance for your thoughts on this.



Happy New Year to you!

Peter, my November 65 build coupe has achieved Duntov, 3 Star (bowtie), Bloomington Gold Benchmark, Bloomington Gold special collection, etc.
Its correct in every respect and it has a type 2 jack. Aroadster built the same day as mine and judged Benchmark and Duntov also has a type 2 jack. Your jack is correct. Please do not change history. Happy New Year!

[Peter M.]

Early 66 Coupe with Type II (65) Jack - Judging Guide vs Actual Production

Thanks all for your responses ... I find it gratifying that all have pointed toward the probability/correctness that early 1966 cars produced in l1965 might likely have a 1965 Type II jack and handle as correct and reasonable. The last Tech Manual / Judging Guide I was using was a 3rd addition which referenced no such variation form "standard" i.e. it states "Type II jack is used only on 1965 models" ... so when I just purchased the 5th addition - I had hoped to see acknowledgement that Type II would be correct in early production .... but not so. Page 41 of 5th edition clearly states and pictures only a Type III jack and 3 hole handle - no mention of any other variations. Is there an NCRS sheet that modifies this section to validate Type II for early 66 production? If not - how do local judges not deduct for incorrect jack/handle while armed with 5th addition JG page 41 description and pictures?

I'd be happy to further contribute to questioning / correcting the judging guide to reflect this production scenario and have reached out to 1966 Team Leader Bill Calorico to discuss what needs to be done to access and confirm. I am appreciative of the individual opinions and pictures provided acknowledging Type II jacks and handle in a 1966 production on this thread and will refer to them as reference when discussing with Bill! Wish me luck!

Thank you again for your responses!

[Timothy B.]

Re: Early 66 Coupe with Type III (65) Jack?

The Jack in Gary's post looks like a type 1 jack to me.