Glove Box Screws - Judging Cost

[Steven B.]

Hello,

I'm looking at restoring my glove box door due to scratches/dents. Unfortunately someone before me already replaced the original rivets with screws. I'm curious if anyone can tell me how many points that will cost if the car is judged.

I've read the TIM&JG, the Judging Manual and the scoring sheets but still can't figure out how to know the deductions for specific issues. I'm going to be an observer judge soon so it may make more sense after that but so far I haven't cracked the scoring code.

I appreciate any insight.

Thanks,

Steve

[Harry S.]

Re: Glove Box Screws - Judging Cost

Hello,

I'm looking at restoring my glove box door due to scratches/dents. Unfortunately someone before me already replaced the original rivets with screws. I'm curious if anyone can tell me how many points that will cost if the car is judged.

I've read the TIM&JG, the Judging Manual and the scoring sheets but still can't figure out how to know the deductions for specific issues. I'm going to be an observer judge soon so it may make more sense after that but so far I haven't cracked the scoring code.

I appreciate any insight.

Thanks,

Steve

Steve, what year car and please post a picture.

Using CDCIF probably 20% of the originality Configuration points and possibly 40% including Installation. Condition could get hit also.

[Steven B.]

Re: Glove Box Screws - Judging Cost

It's a 1964. Looking at it again I think it does still have the rivets. I was expecting to see flat head rivets like on the spare tire carrier. I'm hoping to have the car ready for judging next summer but need to learn more about the details yet. I want to have the aluminum face replaced so there are no dents/scratches. I want to do it without losing the rivets if they are correct. I will probably have to take or send it somewhere so it's done right.

I'm really struggling with knowing what is 10% vs 20% etc. for each of the judging elements. I see that it's based on CDCIF. I see on the scoring sheet that the door is worth 8 originality points. So a 20% or 40% hit is against the 8 points? 40% of 8 points would be 3.2 deduction? So each letter is worth 20% of the total for that item and it's either pass or fail for that particular 20%. Is that how it is calculated?

If it's correct except for the dent/scratches then it might be 100% for CDCIF but would lose some of the 6 condition points?



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[Harry S.]

Re: Glove Box Screws - Judging Cost

Steve, yes, each part of CDCIF is worth 20% of originality points. The finish on the inside of your door looks a bit too shiny, looking at it in person may be different. Condition is calculated differently. Condition has to do with the difficulty of the correction, not the cost of the correction. Correction as an example, say you have a scratch in your glove box door on the inside, that is easy to fix, so the deduction percentage is low. On the other hand you have a glove box door that is so far gone it can not be repaired but needs to be replaced, that is a 100% deduction on condition. There are also standard deduction sheets that trump CDCIF. This applies to tires, headlight bulbs, glass, paint, etc. If you do not have them, obtain the 63/64 Judging guide (there might be a new one after the National so wait a bit), the 9th edition of the Judging reference manual. the paint, standard deduction cards and the condition card. Your Judging Chairman, Rick Coker, should be able to help with the cards. The rest you can order from the NCRS Store.

Good Luck.

[Joe R.]

Re: Glove Box Screws - Judging Cost

Steven,

Scott Pfuehler in Tulsa can replace the front without taking the back off. He is a member and can be reached thru the NCRS.

JR

[Steven B.]

Re: Glove Box Screws - Judging Cost

I already have the 63/64 technical guide and the 9th edition reference manual. I wasn't aware of the condition cards. I've been starting to compare everything to the books but it's tough to do based strictly on what I can read. I need to see more correct examples as a reference.

I've talked with Rick and Mike via email but we haven't met in person yet. I'm sure it will make more sense after the August chapter meet.

Thanks for the help.

[Richard G.]

Re: Glove Box Screws - Judging Cost

You will learn their is a lot of information that is not in the manual. I highly recommend getting a car judged even before you believe it's ready.
It may help eliminate some costly mistakes.
And make sure the water in your washer fluid is blue!
Rick

[Gerard F.]

Re: Glove Box Screws - Judging Cost

Steve,

See the thread below if you want to replace the Glove Box insert on your 64 without drilling out the rivets in the back:

https://www.forums.ncrs.org/showthre...ighlight=glove

Rich Mozzetta has a copy of the article as submitted for publication in the Restorer in his Database of Restoration Articles in the section above. The article is listed under Glove Box and titled C2 Glove Box Restoration by Jerry Fuccillo.

The article was published in the Restorer magazine in 2007 although it is in grayscale , no color.

If you would like an emailed copy of both, send me an email at gjfeng@sbcglobal.net. You will have a lot of fun doing it yourself, as I did in 2006.

Still having fun,

Jerry Fuccillo

[Steven B.]

Re: Glove Box Screws - Judging Cost

I appreciate all of the help and suggestions. I'm sure I'll learn quite a bit at our chapter meet next month. All of the major work so far has been by someone who's done many top flight cars so I'm confident he's doing things correctly. I'm doing some of the easier work now myself. I'll have my car judged next summer and then go from there.

[Alan D.]

Re: Glove Box Screws - Judging Cost

Rich,
Believe 64 was still using the Green washer fliud, may have changed during 64?