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  • Garry B.
    Very Frequent User
    • January 1, 1991
    • 660

    '67 Owners manual- first or second edition?

    My car is a mid-May produced '67. As I understand it, the transition of the owners manual from first edition to second edition went into print in April of '67. With that said, would mine have received the second edition? First edition? or either because of the transition overlap?
    Garry Barnes #18531
    '67 Lynndale Blue Coupe- National TF, BG
    ​'67 Sunfire Yellow Coupe- 4 Star Bowtie,


  • Dave S.
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    • August 31, 1992
    • 2918

    #2
    Re: '67 Owners manual- first or second edition?

    Originally posted by Garry Barnes (18531)
    My car is a mid-May produced '67. As I understand it, the transition of the owners manual from first edition to second edition went into print in April of '67. With that said, would mine have received the second edition? First edition? or either because of the transition overlap?
    Garry,
    There is not an absolute answer to your question. I would say either is possible but likely a second edition is correct seeing as they have an April 1967 date on them. Better yet is the second editions are a lot less in price than first editions. Beware, as most Helm, Inc. re-issue OM's are second editions. My only advice is don't pay the price for an original only to find out it is a re-issue.

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    • Tim G.
      Extremely Frequent Poster
      • March 1, 1990
      • 1358

      #3
      Re: '67 Owners manual- first or second edition?

      Dave's advice is good. I just bought a car built in February and it had a second edition owners manual, so I had to pay up for a first edition. The second edition manuals are about a third of the cost of a first edition.

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      • Mike E.
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        • February 28, 1975
        • 5134

        #4
        Re: '67 Owners manual- first or second edition?

        Garry,
        Sent you a pm.
        Mike

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        • Owen L.
          Very Frequent User
          • September 30, 1991
          • 838

          #5
          Re: '67 Owners manual- first or second edition?

          Owned since Dec. '79, my 1st week of May-built #18253 has much of the original paperwork, envelope, POP, etc.. The manual is the 1st edition.

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          • Garry B.
            Very Frequent User
            • January 1, 1991
            • 660

            #6
            Re: '67 Owners manual- first or second edition?

            Thanks for the insight guys. If I were judging this I would accept either because there was always a transition of current inventory to new inventory on so many parts. Of course I am bias towards the 2nd edition because it is cheaper. Thanks Owen, my car is 200+ more than your VIN, so very close and good to know information. Now I have to go find the research done on these to be sure to buy an original instead of a reprint / reproduction. Anyone want to lead me by the hand to this information? Searching this site is not my forte.
            Garry Barnes #18531
            '67 Lynndale Blue Coupe- National TF, BG
            ​'67 Sunfire Yellow Coupe- 4 Star Bowtie,


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            • Tim G.
              Extremely Frequent Poster
              • March 1, 1990
              • 1358

              #7
              Re: '67 Owners manual- first or second edition?

              Gary,

              Many of the reproductions say so on the back of the owners manual.

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              • Dave S.
                Extremely Frequent Poster
                • August 31, 1992
                • 2918

                #8
                Re: '67 Owners manual- first or second edition?

                Originally posted by Garry Barnes (18531)
                Thanks for the insight guys. If I were judging this I would accept either because there was always a transition of current inventory to new inventory on so many parts. Of course I am bias towards the 2nd edition because it is cheaper. Thanks Owen, my car is 200+ more than your VIN, so very close and good to know information. Now I have to go find the research done on these to be sure to buy an original instead of a reprint / reproduction. Anyone want to lead me by the hand to this information? Searching this site is not my forte.

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                • Garry B.
                  Very Frequent User
                  • January 1, 1991
                  • 660

                  #9
                  Re: '67 Owners manual- first or second edition?

                  Interestingly, the 6th edition of the Judging Manual (latest that I have) clearly states that all car after April of '67 received the second edition. This "less than flexible" comment is atypical of items like this that were transitioned during normal production.
                  Garry Barnes #18531
                  '67 Lynndale Blue Coupe- National TF, BG
                  ​'67 Sunfire Yellow Coupe- 4 Star Bowtie,


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                  • Mike E.
                    Extremely Frequent Poster
                    • February 28, 1975
                    • 5134

                    #10
                    Re: '67 Owners manual- first or second edition?

                    Has anyone sat down and determined the difference between 1st and 2nd edition? Do changes reflect production changes?

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                    • Michael V.
                      Frequent User
                      • May 31, 1995
                      • 73

                      #11
                      Re: '67 Owners manual- first or second edition?

                      My 1967 Corvette serial number 16350 production date 4/17/67 which I bought in 1976 has a 1st Edition owners manual.

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                      • Mark F.
                        Extremely Frequent Poster
                        • July 31, 1998
                        • 1468

                        #12
                        Re: '67 Owners manual- first or second edition?

                        Originally posted by Mike Ernst (211)
                        Has anyone sat down and determined the difference between 1st and 2nd edition? Do changes reflect production changes?
                        Hi Mike,

                        Interesting question and that would be a fun research project...and theoretically not too difficult to implement to identify the text differences (assuming known original 1967 1st edition and 2nd edition documents could be secured). Photo/image/figure differences are another story.

                        Steps would be:
                        1. OCR scan each of them either directly into Word (or Plain text notepad, if the import to word doesn't go well - as sometimes happens)
                        2. Check the scanned text for errors (OCR is a great tool, but it doesn't always work as smoothly as many people believe)
                        3. If the Plain text option had to be used, copy and paste that text into Word
                        4. Once each edition is checked in Word for obvious errors, typos, etc., run the "Compare Documents" tool and the resultant file should enumerate all the differences between the two versions.


                        I've done this many times checking revisions to technical documents when the person(s) making the changes doesn't use track changes mode - or in some cases is deliberately trying to be deceptive.
                        thx,
                        Mark

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                        • Garry B.
                          Very Frequent User
                          • January 1, 1991
                          • 660

                          #13
                          Re: '67 Owners manual- first or second edition?

                          Did the second edition also have the card?
                          Garry Barnes #18531
                          '67 Lynndale Blue Coupe- National TF, BG
                          ​'67 Sunfire Yellow Coupe- 4 Star Bowtie,


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                          • Dave S.
                            Extremely Frequent Poster
                            • August 31, 1992
                            • 2918

                            #14
                            Re: '67 Owners manual- first or second edition?

                            Originally posted by Garry Barnes (18531)
                            Did the second edition also have the card?

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                            • Garry B.
                              Very Frequent User
                              • January 1, 1991
                              • 660

                              #15
                              Re: '67 Owners manual- first or second edition?

                              Thanks Dave, but that begs the question as to how to tell an OM from a Helm, Inc. reissue?
                              Garry Barnes #18531
                              '67 Lynndale Blue Coupe- National TF, BG
                              ​'67 Sunfire Yellow Coupe- 4 Star Bowtie,


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