Bloomington gold judging ?

[Robert P.]

Looking to find out if there is a standard point deduction for not have 2 tops , i have the std top (conv) but not the optional hardtop but the holes and hardware are there. I ask this question as i was told alot of the judges for bloomington are are NCRS members and judges . if this post is not proper for this site Mods. please remove it
thank you Bob Peckham

[John J.]

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You will lose all points associated with the hardtop. If 2 top car, both tops must be present. I would have to look at my judging sheets from a couple years ago to see how many points it is.

[Tim G.]

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The judges may ask you how you are presenting your car, as a hardtop only car or as a car with two tops. The smaller deduction would be to declare it a hard top only car with holes for both hard and soft top.

[Sal C.]

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Two tops are never judged at the same time in either organization.

[Joseph T.]

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Hi Robert,

A new rule started a few years back for Bloomington Gold Judging. If your Corvette originally came with a hardtop from the factory then it must be shown with the hardtop. If you do not have the hardtop installed or at least present with the car, then your Corvette receives an automatic Silver Certificate!!

[Robert P.]

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I received info today from bloomington gold to the two top question , The standard top which came with the car (conv top) must be present to be considered for gold , the optional top (hardtop) does not have to be present for gold but there is a full 70 point deduction for no hardtop present . If the standard top is not present the car is not eligible for gold, silver would be the best no matter what the point total is
i think i worded this correct
Bob Peckham

[Steven B.]

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Interesting. I know of a '68 ordered and received with hard top only. I saw it come off the trailer, during prep (my next door neighbor prepped it) and with the new owners.

[Patrick H.]

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Interesting. I know of a '68 ordered and received with hard top only. I saw it come off the trailer, during prep (my next door neighbor prepped it) and with the new owners.

If hardtop only, that's OK since it was not equipped with a soft top. It is not correct that a car must have a soft top to receive full credit.
You could order either as the no-cost option, but the second top cost money.

If evidence of a second top but it's not there, then you get the deduction.

[Daniel Y.]

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Jay,

that is under review according to both Bill's and Guy. we are now using lines 23 and 24 "optional top Material and optional top finish. it will be a full deduction on originality and condition but not boxed. if you use line 5 "Coupe/hardtop/convertible top" you will be boxed.

[Thomas B.]

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My '63 has both tops. How would a '63 owner know if the hardtop is original from the factory since build sheets were not provided in '63 corvettes.

[Garry B.]

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Thomas, if your deck lid has all of the latches, etc. demonstrating that there is a hardtop, then it will be viewed as a two top car and the convertible top is considered the primary top. The issue is not whether the hard top is original, it's if the car came with the optional hard top.

[Thomas B.]

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Garry,

I didn't ask the right question. How would I know if the car left the factory with the hardtop option in place? I believe the required hardware and top can be added to a car that left the factory without the hardtop option. There is no build sheet for corvettes prior to 1967 to show the options that were ordered by the original purchaser. Thank you

[Garry B.]

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Tom, with BG I believe it is all about how you present the car for the very reason you state. That is also true for any option. Unlike NCRS, BG requires a "window sticker" which essentially dictates what you believe to be how the car was originally produced and with what options. If you have a two top car and choose to present it to the judges as a one top car via a most likely reproduced window sticker, then be prepared to either get hit with the 70 point deduction or have erased any signs that it came with a hard top to begin with. You are right, there is no way to know so it comes down to what and how you present the car for judging.

[Don H.]

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Garry,

I didn't ask the right question. How would I know if the car left the factory with the hardtop option in place? I believe the required hardware and top can be added to a car that left the factory without the hardtop option. There is no build sheet for corvettes prior to 1967 to show the options that were ordered by the original purchaser. Thank you

Tom-
you would know if your car is still in original paint, or you have iron clad proof, like for instance period photos, from prior owners that it does. Otherwise, you don't know. Your question answers itself.

[Thomas B.]

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It's not in original paint but how would I know if it was originally a two top car if it was still in original paint?