1969 side pipe N14 questions

[Joseph W.]

I mentioned in another thread about speaking with the second owner of my 1969 L71.
He described the car exactly and mentioned that it had Sidepipes.
So I looked over the stack of pictures I had from the guy I purchased the car From and sure enough, the car has what appears to be factory Sidepipes.

I crawled under the car yesterday to check the exhaust grounding holes and they seem to have threads. This would indicate non original Sidepipes.
I took a picture of the rear wheel well and I don’t see where the glass has been cut away. But, in all honesty, I’m not sure what that would look like.
One picture I have shows the car on a lift with the rear quarters showing no cutouts for rear exhaust.
I could not find notching on the birdcage rails, but again, not really sure where I was supposed to look.

I would be greatly appreciative for opinions.
below is rear wheel well
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The exhaust crossmember ground holes to my inexperienced feel appeared to have threads.
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I know the original owner could have added side exhaust, but the later year pictures appear to show no cutout in the rear quarter area. And then there is the picture of the fellow I bought the car from using a jigsaw to apparently cut out the half circle for rear exhaust.
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Here is some markings I found partially obscured by the gas tank
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[Jon H.]

Re: 1969 side pipe N14 questions

Check for N14 markings under the rear above the rear window storage compartment tray. I have owned a number of 69 N14 cars and most all have had this marking.

[Mark F.]

Re: 1969 side pipe N14 questions

I mentioned in another thread about speaking with the second owner of my 1969 L71. He described the car exactly and mentioned that it had Sidepipes. So I looked over the stack of pictures I had from the guy I purchased the car From and sure enough, the car has what appears to be factory Sidepipes. I crawled under the car yesterday to check the exhaust grounding holes and they seem to have threads. This would indicate non original Sidepipes.
One picture I have shows the car on a lift with the rear quarters showing no cutouts for rear exhaust. I could not find notching on the birdcage rails, but again, not really sure where I was supposed to look. see red circles in images below I would be greatly appreciative for opinions.
I know the original owner could have added side exhaust, but the later year pictures appear to show no cutout in the rear quarter area. And then there is the picture of the fellow I bought the car from using a jigsaw to apparently cut out the half circle for rear exhaust. The half-circle (actually about 1/4) is not on the valance where he's cutting, it's as pictured below with the blue circle.

Hi Joseph,

These are from a C2...dunno if there's much difference w/ a '69 or not ?
red circles show birdcage cutouts
blue circle shows wheel well cutout in front of rear wheel

Side Pipe Birdcage Notches and wheel well cutout_001 - Copy (3) - Copy.jpg

[Joseph W.]

[Mark G.]

Re: 1969 side pipe N14 questions

MY 69 is chalked on the bulkhead behind the drivers seat.

[Gary B.]

Re: 1969 side pipe N14 questions

Ok, I'll go ahead and say it.
You REALLY should invest in the current 68-69 Technical Information Manual and Judging Guide. So much information in there.
On Page 85 & 86 it lists the 5-key items to look for, with color pictures.
Ok, I'll go back in my hole now.
Gary Bosselman
68-69 TIM&JG Coordinator.
70-72 TIM&JG Coordinator.

[Lawrence S.]

Re: 1969 side pipe N14 questions

What VIN number is your car?

[Joseph W.]

Re: 1969 side pipe N14 questions

What VIN number is your car?

194379S738508
Dec 16 build date.

[Lawrence S.]

Re: 1969 side pipe N14 questions

Earliest vin to have side pipes is 9320 and at least a December 1968 build so clearly your car is late enough. Pretty neat that your car was at the very end of the build.
If the rear fenders look original I would have to say that is a real good sign, and the chalk marks on the bulk head. The lower front fender, and the rear fender well pictures in the Judging manual are helpful but not conclusive in my opinion because anyone can trim the body panels. I have a 69 N14 car with original paint and will be happy to help you if needed. My car is not here right now but will be back at my home garage in a few days. If you don't find the chalk marks let me know and will do what I can to help you out by comparing my car to yours.

[Joseph W.]

[Joseph W.]

Re: 1969 side pipe N14 questions

Ok, I'll go ahead and say it.
You REALLY should invest in the current 68-69 Technical Information Manual and Judging Guide. So much information in there.
On Page 85 & 86 it lists the 5-key items to look for, with color pictures.
Ok, I'll go back in my hole now.
Gary Bosselman
68-69 TIM&JG Coordinator.
70-72 TIM&JG Coordinator.

I purchased the Guide when I became a member here.
And I did review it carefully.
As someone new to this hobby I’m trying my best absorb everything the best I can.I always try and do a search first and then ask questions.
With an undocumented car, I’m trying to put all my clues together so that I can restore the car back to what it was originally.
Im finding that can be difficult at times.
I appreciate everyone’s patience and help.

[Tom D.]

Re: 1969 side pipe N14 questions

The sixth edition for 1968-1968 has three images on page 86 and the same three are in the Exhaust area of the Chassis Section, page 220.

The radius cut on the C2 N14 cars (shown above by Mark Francis, on a car that has...? perhaps 1966 rocker moldings) has a nice, typical for originals, curve to it. The similar cut on a 1969 car with N14 is more like two cuts that meet at the corner of an upside down "L".

Here's a photo from the 68-69 TIM&JG - See above for the pages I mentioned.
1969 N14 Cuts - 1.jpg