E-Ray Thread

[Floyd B.]

You may delete this post as soon as you read it but I don't think closing the E-Ray tread was warranted or appropriate. It was a friendly conversation about the merits/demerits of a new Corvette model amongst NCRS members. I have seen many threads survive on this forum that were much more acrimonious and off-topic. We don't have a "General Discussion" forum on this site.

Respectfully,

Floyd

P.S. I realize moderating a forum is a tough job and it's difficult to know where to draw the line sometimes. Overall, the IT staff and moderators do a great job. This is one of the very few cases where I feel the control was a bit too tight.

[Gary C.]

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Floyd,

We can always use more moderators. We'll sign you up.

FWIW, many years ago there was a "general discussion" forum. And it was totally off the rails and unhinged.

Gary
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[Don H.]

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Thank you Floyd,
I appreciate that.. I cut that thread off before it became much more acrimonious and off-topic.
It seems anytime a thread appears that concerns an electric powered corvette, sides are staked out quickly, and in no time at all the thread becomes political.. If this thread stays focused on the car, rather than the politics, it may grow legs and be able to run a while.

[Arland D.]

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Floyd,

You are right that a thread on the E-Ray is of interest to most of us but when the ‘content’ of any thread gets into topics like politics, religion, etc. that are very personal and emotional for most people, it fails to meet the guidelines of the TDB. As Don said, if the content of this thread stays on topic, then the members can run it into the ground with no issues. If the members decide to pole vault over the guardrails of content, then we are obligated to ‘moderate’ the thread. For those members who were around during the 'General Discussion' board that Gary mentioned, you may recall that it turned into a toxic cesspool very quickly.

[Floyd B.]

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Thanx for the explanation Gentlemen and thanx for all the time and effort you put into these systems. Hopefully it's a reminder to all of us concerning proper forum content.

[Floyd B.]

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@Mark Francis

Here's what one site is sayng...


So, just under 10% heavier and 1/2 second faster...
all I need now is a spare $100k

Mark,
I'm wondering how you came to the conclusion that the E-Ray is 1/2 second faster that the Z06. Based on published numbers:

Z06: 0-60 in 2.6 secs and 1/4 mile in 10.6 secs
E-Ray: 0-60 in 2.5 secs and 1/4 mile in 10.5 secs

That's a 0.1 sec difference. If we were to assume that the Z06 is just as available for delivery as the E-Ray, I honestly can't understand why anyone would choose the E-Ray over the Z06. Would the 1/10th of second difference 0-60 even be perceptible? I suppose the battery can be set-up for a couple quick 4WD laps, but at +340 lbs, it's not a track beast like the Z06. With a world class driver, the 4WD might make a difference but what world class driver is going to let it all hang out and go to the limits in a 4WD car that might switch to 2WD at any moment?

For that same price I can get a Z06, and for a lot less I can get a base C8. I really don't know why anyone would buy an E-Ray. Is someone really going to buy the Hybrid version of a $100+ sports car for the marginally better gas mileage? Maybe it's just me, but I don't get it.

[Mark F.]

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@Mark Francis Here's what one site is sayng...
So, just under 10% heavier and 1/2 second faster...all I need now is a spare $100k

Mark, I'm wondering how you came to the conclusion that the E-Ray is 1/2 second faster that the Z06. Based on published numbers: Z06: 0-60 in 2.6 secs and 1/4 mile in 10.6 secs; E-Ray: 0-60 in 2.5 secs and 1/4 mile in 10.5 secs

That's a 0.1 sec difference...

Hi Floyd !
You are absolutely correct - at 7:59 AM, obviously I hadn't had enough java to get my math brain functioning
I guess I was overly enamored with the 340 lb penalty; yet the quicker (albeit paltry 0.1 sec.) time...

You're also right unless you're digitally endowed, you'd never perceive the difference between the 2 !

Neither of the two will be in my price range until they go into the used car market... but with no place to put another one, they're pipe dreams for now...

Sorry for my sloppy reading and posting

[Floyd B.]

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I'm with you; I'm never going to have $120k to spend on a car and I don't think the Z06's will ever depreciate (at least not enough to come down into my price range) unless it's been thoroughly thrashed.

Now where did I put that winning Mega Millions ticket?

[Tom L.]

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Here's what I have to say about the electric component of the E-Ray...... IT DOESN'T HAVE ROUND TAIL LIGHTS!!!!

Remember that discussion? That has passed way into the wind as the C7 and C8 seem to be embraced at this time? Don't get me wrong since I'm definately sailing on that long, North flowing river in Africa known as "De-Nile". But, electric is coming. It's not stoppable at this level.

Perhaps it's time to start accepting that and embrace the performance of this new car. While not true to it's conception, it is the AWD vette that Zora wanted. What would he think? As always, HAVE FUN!!! That's why we're here!

[Jeffrey S.]

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I totally agree that this should be about Corvettes and not personal issues. The last thread that I started did get somewhat off track but there was good discussion about personal pros and cons of the electric format. Here's more reading material from the financial website- CNBC.Com:

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/01/19/chev...hterm=Corvette

A lot has already been published here but there is some new insight into why.
Jeff
Jeff

[Terry M.]

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Years ago there was an unwritten rule in NCRS. We didn't talk about religion, politics or personally attack others. The internet shot that down real fast. We all should still remember that rule. Until the end, I was enjoying that thread and I hope this one can continue.

Just to contribute to comments on the hybrid Corvette (although Chevrolet seems to be going out of the way to avoid calling it a hybrid) we should remember that Steam and electric propulsion make all their torque at zero RPM. ICE (Internal Combustion Engines) require RPM to develop torque. It will be quite an engineering feat to smoothly integrate the two very different means of propulsion in a sports car. To do it in a highway car is one thing, but a car that can spend part of its life on a race track is another challenge.

[Bill M.]

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If I am still around and the EV is a natural evolution and as dependable and me ICE corvette I will buy one

[Larry E.]

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Hi Floyd !
You are absolutely correct - at 7:59 AM, obviously I hadn't had enough java to get my math brain functioning
I guess I was overly enamored with the 340 lb penalty; yet the quicker (albeit paltry 0.1 sec.) time...

You're also right unless you're digitally endowed, you'd never perceive the difference between the 2 !

Neither of the two will be in my price range until they go into the used car market... but with no place to put another one, they're pipe dreams for now...

Sorry for my sloppy reading and posting

Another story reports more weight then the above>
The battery is quite small by today's standard at just 1.9-kWh, and it is mounted in the center tunnel. The battery pack adds about 100 pounds to the weight of the car. The electric motor and components add another 200 pounds. The E-Ray tips the scales at around 3,966 and approximately 4,099 pounds for the convertible if my math is correct. The convertible E-Ray will be the first production Corvette to weigh over two tons!

I would think the added weight would mean slower lap times on a road course. Larry

[Ronald L.]

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Having been on the development side of various Hybrids to BEV, I have to say that they did an excellent job on this PT package for Corvette.

First, to avoid having to plug-in. HUGE. What it also means is that its not really in the same class as the current EV craze.

Second, as Terry has indicated modest 100% Torque to those front wheels off the line. 160HP electric is modest, I can easily see double that watch for that about the time these are in production.

Third I expect GM has ample Torque vectoring engineers to manage what the competition is already doing to manage variable and different power supplied to different wheels.

...and to this same performance extent, to show you its already on the street...if you want a lightning fast Wrangler guess which one is the sleeper, the HEV, the 3.6 v6, or the 392???

[Mark F.]

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I'm with you; I'm never going to have $120k to spend on a car and I don't think the Z06's will ever depreciate (at least not enough to come down into my price range) unless it's been thoroughly thrashed.

I'll bet 5 to 10 years from now, the prices for batteries in any of the EV cars will start to surge as raw material and manufacturing supply-chain issues start kicking in.

I've read VERY few countries mine Lithium and Cobalt (no substantial amounts in the U.S.); and the U.S. mines nickel, but is quoted as in 9th place behind other larger-producing countries.

So, w/ EV battery life quoted at 15 to 20 years (100,000 to 200,000 miles) the current E-Ray may turn out to be one of the most affordable ever - compared to where they might go several years in the future...

as my Dad used to say, "We'll see !"