Virtual Schools

[Harry S.]

Re: Virtual Schools

I'm all for Virtual Schools. I've participated in many. They provide a venue to bring members together and become aware of new topics and judging techniques. I believe there is a 99% upside to the schools.

Not to throw mud, but I need to explain my 1% downside. I've seen where members have become a 100 point Master Judge and have never judged a car. In person schools and Virtual Schools made up the 100 point. Just doesn't seem proper.

Maybe we need a check in the points counting system that makes sure X% of the point were actually attained judging cars.

Just my 2 cents.

[Owen L.]

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Not to throw mud, but I need to explain my 1% downside. I've seen where members have become a 100 point Master Judge and have never judged a car. In person schools and Virtual Schools made up the 100 point. Just doesn't seem proper.

Maybe we need a check in the points counting system that makes sure X% of the point were actually attained judging cars.

Absolutely! I am not seeking any points to become a judge, so even a checkbox to opt-out of points gathering wouldn't be anything I'd have qualms about.

[Mark F.]

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I'm all for Virtual Schools. I've participated in many. They provide a venue to bring members together and become aware of new topics and judging techniques. I believe there is a 99% upside to the schools. Not to throw mud, but I need to explain my 1% downside. I've seen where members have become a 100 point Master Judge and have never judged a car. In person schools and Virtual Schools made up the 100 point. Just doesn't seem proper. Maybe we need a check in the points counting system that makes sure X% of the point were actually attained judging cars. Just my 2 cents.

Harry,

I totally agree with you.

As I have repeatedly communicated with the presenters and support folks putting on these schools, I have not attended any of these presentations to "get points".

I attend to broaden my knowledge of Corvettes beyond my myopic centrist focus on 1967s (I've only owned 1 Corvette and it's a '67) so, I really enjoy learning about the "others"

Maybe it complicates things, but I'm in favor of a "two-factored"(? %s unknown ?) points system whereby you can't get a "X00" level hat counting Virtual schools attendance. I think that degrades the hard work of Judges who travel all over the country to be there in person and put there judging expertise up front and in-person for the owners who bring their cars to be judged.

That being said, the folks who have taken time to produce these excellent events need to be recognized with points awarded and other Kudos in my humble opinion.

It's been a while since I have judged a car in person, but here's my 2 cents as well...

[Wayne M.]

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Harry, Owen & Mark,

I've read your posts concerning virtual (remote learning) schools. I agree that if members who have never judged a car can become a Master Judge, then the policy falls of its own weight...does actual experience not matter??!! But my guess is that situation represents only a very few (less than 5 to 10?) members so isn't a factor that requires a policy/rule change. However, I find the idea that virtual learning is somehow not worthy of point awards troubling. Many have acknowledged the quality and value of the knowledge transfer that occurs through virtual schools and the presenters are some of the best in NCRS. In addition, the move to virtual (remote learning) schooling has become a significant factor in the entire learning/training process worldwide. I am unaware of any organization (professional, trade, etc.) that doesn't give full, equivalent credit for virtual learning. If our hobby goes against this trend, I believe it will be a mistake. I said in the quote show below from an earlier post on this subject, I prefer in-person meetings for learning. But one significant demographic challenge we have is the aging/mobility of our membership. Virtual schools will help such members stay engaged and participating in the hobby we all love and the awarding of points is a positive incentive to participation.

BTW, what is/should be the right mix (%) of actual judging to "schools" for the 100 points required to become a Master Judge? Is/should the 20 points awarded for attendance at the National Judging Retreat be considered judging or schooling? Is serving as an Observer Judge judging or schooling? I expect there are differing opinions as to the answer to these questions. But if we open the door to not awarding points for virtual schools and/or what percentage of the 100 points required to be a Master Judge must be from 'judging', then these questions and others should be discussed and any rule changes should pass the test of being in the best interests of all the long term objectives of the membership.



"Covid may have been the genesis of online schools within NCRS but 'remote learning' is mainstay in the business and professional communities and clearly a major portion of training for all areas of endeavor. This trend was established long before Covid. Certainly Covid expanded the use of online schools/remote learning. Don't get me wrong. I prefer in-person schooling/meetings where the opportunity to interact with others exists and, I believe, should remain the principal mode of NCRS training...at least for now. And I've noted other posters on this thread making a case for remote schools during the winter months. I can relate...much of my time is spent at my place in the Green Mts of Vermont where winter travel can be challenging with frequent cancellations, etc.

So, if the use of remote schools beyond 12/31/22 needs Dave Brigham/NCRS approval, I hope he/they give it and embrace what is a major trend impacting any organization operating on a national/international scale that is tasked with dispensing knowledge to their members.

BTW, there are huge financial/organizational implications to remote learning that are beyond the scope of my post but that NCRS leadership is, or should be, thinking about."

Wayne

[Leo G.]

[Terry M.]

Re: Virtual Schools

Where I work remote/on-line learning credit requires successful completion of a "knowledge test." Merly "attending" the class is insufficient. The successful score in the test varies from 80% to 100% depending on the subject, and some knowledge tests are "open book" others are not. Some allow repeated attempts to successfully answer questions others do not.

To implement this sort of advanced computer leaning testing is likely beyond the reasonable time constraints of our IT team but maybe there is some sort of less extensive knowledge test that could be developed. I throw this out there just for an item of thought.

I fully support the idea of requiring some level of actual "on-the-field" judging experience before reaching some levels of Award. We have already implemented that for 5-star judging Award, but implementing some level of on the field experience for lower levels of Awards is IMO a good idea.

[Barry H.]

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Mike I am ready to try! Let me know when.
Barry Holmes #940

[Mike T.]

Re: Virtual Schools

You can sign up for both schools now. The January 27 on hoods by Heart of Ohio chapter and the February 17 school on door panels by Indiana Chapter. You sign up just like any other event.

[Andy C.]

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Mike,

Looks like you have plenty of members who will attend. You always do a great job. I think it is a great thing to keep people engaged during the winter. I will attend the virtual school.

Thanks
Andy Cabral (30359)

[Tom D.]

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https://www.ncrs.org/hoo/links.html Might have also been mentioned above... That's where you can view many of the old ones.

Once there, also click on EVENTS to get the details about the 2024 Virtual Schools. Thanks Mike T. !

[Steven H.]

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already signed up

[Enzo C.]

Re: Virtual Schools

Hello Rick, I am signed up and always something to learn
Thanks for putting these on behalf of the Ncrs Ontario Chapter

[Jim K.]

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Yes, very interested.
Jim Krakau

[Tim S.]

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I was in contact with Gary Bossleman this week. He informed me the Indiana Chapter vacuum troubleshooting / diagnostics seminar he is giving will be available as a virtual school. The date is March 23rd.

https://www.forums.ncrs.org/register...3D&old_events=

[Wayne M.]

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Tim,
For clarity, is the Indiana Chapter school on Vacuum Systems currently schedule to occur at 10 AM on March 23, 2024 at Keith Busses' Museum now going to be 1) a virtual school, or 2) both an in-person and virtual school? Thanks for clarifying.
Wayne