Will repro 69 headlight bezels cause an operations deduction for the washer nozzles?

[Michael L.]

Guys,

For my recent 69 L-46 restoration I used repro headlight bezels. I recently realized that the nozzle placement in these headlights is incorrect, with both nozzles on the lower edge and one pointed at the low beam and one at the high beam. If everything else functions as intended, will this incorrect nozzle placement result in operations deduction? Trying to weigh the need for sourcing some original bezels prior to judging. Thanks for your help.

Mike

[Jeffrey S.]

Re: Will repro 69 headlight bezels cause an operations deduction for the washer nozzl

If water squirts out of the nozzles, then the system is operating as it was intended to when new and I would say there should be no deduction. CDCIF does not apply here- only if it works or it doesn't. I am not the most experienced judge (I have judged many times at the chapter level) but that is my understanding.
Jeff

[Michael L.]

[Gary B.]

Re: Will repro 69 headlight bezels cause an operations deduction for the washer nozzl

Are you sure you the the right squirter in the right hole? Why can't you take a round file, file the hole round (versus D-shaped) and then rotate the headlight washer correctly?
I would probably deduct because it's not washing the right headlight? But that is me.
Gary B

[Keith M.]

Re: Will repro 69 headlight bezels cause an operations deduction for the washer nozzl

For me the difference in configuration from original far outweighs points considerations. But that seems to be in the minority these days.

[Jeffrey S.]

Re: Will repro 69 headlight bezels cause an operations deduction for the washer nozzl

Are you sure you the the right squirter in the right hole? Why can't you take a round file, file the hole round (versus D-shaped) and then rotate the headlight washer correctly?
I would probably deduct because it's not washing the right headlight? But that is me.
Gary B

Gary,
OP says that both the high and low beam are being sprayed. If the low beam is being sprayed, then the system is operating properly and, in my opinion, no deduction should be taken. If only the high beam is sprayed then a deduction is warranted. During exterior judging, where CDCIF applies, If the nozzles are not TFP then a deduction under configuration applies. If this was my car I would absolutely find a correct bezel with squirters properly placed and aimed that is appropriate for that car. Not for judging but because that's how the car was built. Just my 2 cents.
Jeff

[Michael L.]

Re: Will repro 69 headlight bezels cause an operations deduction for the washer nozzl

Guys a quick update on this thread. I recently registered my car for the Lone Star Regional in Frisco. In preberation for that I decided to get a set of original correct bezels. I just wanted to confirm my understanding of what the ultimate configuration is. Is seems to me that according to the AIM the two nozzles both point at the low beam, i.e. the outer, headlight, correct? I ordered off ebay what was described as original 69-70 Bezels and they have the correct part# according to the AIM but just wanted to be sure that this was the correct configuration.

Mike

[Dennis D.]

Re: Will repro 69 headlight bezels cause an operations deduction for the washer nozzl

I'm confused. The locations on the bezel should be 1 hole on the lower flat. The other hole in between the lights. Seems to me the bezel is correct.
Sounds like 1 of the squirter is wrong, spraying in the wrong direction.

[Michael L.]

Re: Will repro 69 headlight bezels cause an operations deduction for the washer nozzl

Here is a pic of the AIM which shows the HL washer nozzles. It looks to me that the washers are shown spraying the same headlight. I attached a pic of the bezels I purchased which appear to show the correct configutation and location for the washers, I was just asking for clarification of what the correct factory set-up is. I apologize but I sent the car back to the shop to get the bezels painted and installed so I can't just go out and look at it but I have two basic questions: First, is the low beam headlight the outer light? Second, do both of the washers spray the low beam, i.e. outer headlight?

Mike

OEM bezels B.jpgAIM HL washer pic.jpg

[Lawrence M.]

Re: Will repro 69 headlight bezels cause an operations deduction for the washer nozzl

Mike,
Yes, low beam is outer and both nozzles spray outer headlight.

[Donald S.]

Re: Will repro 69 headlight bezels cause an operations deduction for the washer nozzl

Left headlight.jpg
Mike,
Does this help?
Don

[Terry M.]

Re: Will repro 69 headlight bezels cause an operations deduction for the washer nozzl

As has been said by others, both nozzles should point toward the low beam (outer) lamp.

As to if this fails, is it an operations deduction? That is a whole other discussion. IMO, so long as one of the streams hits the low beam lamp or passes reasonably close to in front of it, I would not take a deduction. If the car was moving on the road the passing wind could force the water jet to the low beam lamp. My thinking being the operations section simply checks some functionality of the system.

Also realize those nozzles are (or should be) adjustable. Stick a pin in the hole the water exits from and try to rotate the ball. After 50+ years most/all will not adjust. They are corroded in place. Try the adjustment and see if you can get it to work. Soaking the nozzle in some solvent may help. I like a mix of Automatic Transmission Fluid and acetone, but don't use that near the car. Acetone is a great paint remover.

Operations is NOT Performance Verification. There is a whole seminar devoted to that theme at the Judging Retreat. All that said, some Operations judges have not attended that Retreat and sometimes get carried away. In that case some communication with the Team Leader may be in order. Tell Bob D. I sent you. ;-)

As has also been pointed out -- There is no CDCIF to the Operations section. The material of the bezel and location of the nozzles is NOT an issue in Operations.

Now take a look at the Operations Judging sheet and try to figure how many points will be lost if the nozzles fail to work entirely, but the windshield wipers and washers do work. Put all that in perspective of 4510 points. Be sure you have a Battery cut-off, fire extinguisher (don't skimp on the size you might actually need to use it some day.), and an NCRS decal/sticker on the car. Those 10 points are worth as much as the headlamp washers working. I think.

Thus ends my appeal for some perspective. Have fun at Frisco. Fun is the point of all of this.

[Michael L.]

Re: Will repro 69 headlight bezels cause an operations deduction for the washer nozzl

Definitely! Thanks Don and everyone for your replies!

Mike