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  • Steve V.
    Frequent User
    • June 27, 2011
    • 95

    Judging an original car.

    Opportunity is missed by most people
    because it is dressed in overalls and looks like work.
    Thomas Edison
  • Mark F.
    Extremely Frequent Poster
    • July 31, 1998
    • 1468

    #2
    Re: Judging an original car.

    Originally posted by Steve Vaughn (53480)
    What is the best route to take for judging or should I just drive it and have fun? Why not do both (get it judged and also drive it as you see fit) ?

    Does changing things like the leaking power steering cylinder, or tie rod ends and ball joints materially affect value, or future desirability,

    Thanks for your input. Steve
    Hi Steve,

    Would love to see a picture of your car here on TDB...

    As far as judging goes, I think many folks forget to pay enough attention to the OPS judging section. Each item is 25 points !
    So, making sure things work as they should will potentially save large, single item deductions. If you have two line items that fail OPS, that's 50 points - more than what Patrick and Roy told you about in your other post for you pad...

    Given you don't want to go the restoration route (which I understand), you can't do much about your paint; faded carpet; etc. so those items will take the condition points deducts as evaluated by the judges.

    Calipers; Shocks; and a Steering wheel are available...but at what cost ?

    When I campaigned my car 20+ years ago, I evaluated judging results after each judged event I took it to and then created a spreadsheet identifying the cost/point to fix what was not TFP on my car.

    Good luck and enjoy the process !
    thx,
    Mark

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    • Edward J.
      Extremely Frequent Poster
      • September 15, 2008
      • 6940

      #3
      Re: Judging an original car.

      Steve why not just install the parts removed.you at least have the car complete,if the air pump is frozen you can leave the belt off. Same for A/C. This will be bringing the car back to where most would like to have. And then you can bring to judging. Before you start driving have the car inspected for safety reasons. And one other thing I would do before installing A/C. Is replace the spark plugs, they car be a bear to install after those components are installed.
      New England chapter member, 63 Convert. 327/340- Chapter/Regional/national Top Flight, 72 coupe- chapter and regional Top Flight.

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      • Chris H.
        Very Frequent User
        • April 1, 2000
        • 837

        #4
        Re: Judging an original car.

        Steve what I would do is get it judged and see where the car is at judging wise. Based on your comments sounds like you want to drive and enjoy it as it is, which is what I would do. Not every old Corvette needs or should be restored, but they should be enjoyed and appreciated for what they are.
        1969 Riverside Gold Coupe, L71, 14,000 miles. Top Flight, 2 Star Bowtie.

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        • Keith B.
          Extremely Frequent Poster
          • September 15, 2014
          • 1575

          #5
          Re: Judging an original car.

          carefully clean everything up and enjoy. in judging condition will be your enemy. if truly original bowtie judging may be a better route

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          • Dave S.
            Extremely Frequent Poster
            • August 31, 1992
            • 2918

            #6
            Re: Judging an original car.

            Originally posted by Keith Brodbeck (60464)
            carefully clean everything up and enjoy. in judging condition will be your enemy. if truly original bowtie judging may be a better route
            Seems that Bowtie (4 stars) is not possible as the engine has been out of the car. Three stars may happen given the information that Steve has given. Three stars is still a great award.

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            • Steve V.
              Frequent User
              • June 27, 2011
              • 95

              #7
              Re: Judging an original car.

              Originally posted by Dave Strickland (21448)
              Seems that Bowtie (4 stars) is not possible as the engine has been out of the car. Three stars may happen given the information that Steve has given. Three stars is still a great award.
              Opportunity is missed by most people
              because it is dressed in overalls and looks like work.
              Thomas Edison

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              • Dave S.
                Extremely Frequent Poster
                • August 31, 1992
                • 2918

                #8
                Re: Judging an original car.

                Steve,
                The Bow tie award consists of a passing score in the four major categories. Interior , Exterior, Mechanical and chassis. A non passing score in any one or more of the four categories precludes the cars ability to get a Bowtie award. In that event you get one, two or three stars for each of the remaining categories but Bowtie is not possible. My experience is if the motor has been out that becomes a non pass on the Mechanical portion, thus only a 3 star possibility. Obviously the motor has been out as it seems it has been decked. You should discuss this with the appropriate team leader so you fully understand the Bow tie program.

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                • Bill M.
                  Extremely Frequent Poster
                  • July 31, 1989
                  • 1317

                  #9
                  Re: Judging an original car.

                  Steve try to spend a little time getting everything cleaned up installed and working. Then have it judged just for the fun of it. Then driver her like you stole her.

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                  • Tim G.
                    Extremely Frequent Poster
                    • March 1, 1990
                    • 1358

                    #10
                    Re: Judging an original car.

                    We would love to see some pictures, Steve.

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                    • Steve V.
                      Frequent User
                      • June 27, 2011
                      • 95

                      #11
                      Re: Judging an original car.

                      Originally posted by Tim Gilmore (16887)
                      We would love to see some pictures, Steve.
                      685E30EE-0CA0-4E08-B052-28EF713115FE.jpgIMG_4799.jpgIMG_0672.jpgIMG_0680.jpg Original spare tire, owners manual with plastic sleeve, POP
                      Opportunity is missed by most people
                      because it is dressed in overalls and looks like work.
                      Thomas Edison

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                      • Steve V.
                        Frequent User
                        • June 27, 2011
                        • 95

                        #12
                        Re: Judging an original car.

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                        Opportunity is missed by most people
                        because it is dressed in overalls and looks like work.
                        Thomas Edison

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                        • Alan D.
                          Extremely Frequent Poster
                          • January 1, 2005
                          • 2027

                          #13
                          Re: Judging an original car.

                          Steve, Just get it judged as is, clean a little.
                          Ask at the local met if it should go for a Bowtie, even if only a few stars.
                          Lots of members including myself would like to see original cars more so than restored.
                          You will get some good feedback to point you in a direction, remember to enjoy
                          Alan

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                          • Mark E.
                            Extremely Frequent Poster
                            • April 1, 1993
                            • 4498

                            #14
                            Re: Judging an original car.

                            Originally posted by Steve Vaughn (53480)
                            I’m 79, and don’t have the time, money or desire to restore this car. I just want to drive it and enjoy it until God calls me home.

                            What is the best route to take for judging or should I just drive it and have fun?

                            Does changing things like the leaking power steering cylinder, or tie rod ends and ball joints materially affect value, or future desirability,
                            Your first question suggests more clarity about what you want may help: "take [it] for judging or should I just drive it and have fun?"

                            Maybe consider a middle path and some of the advice above: Clean it, make it safe to drive, enjoy it, then have it judged if you're so inclined.

                            I'm glad you're not considering a restomod.
                            Mark Edmondson
                            Dallas, Texas
                            Texas Chapter

                            1970 Coupe, Donnybrooke Green, Light Saddle LS5 M20 A31 C60 G81 N37 N40 UA6 U79
                            1993 Coupe, 40th Anniversary, 6-speed, PEG 1, FX3, CD, Bronze Top

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                            • Steve V.
                              Frequent User
                              • June 27, 2011
                              • 95

                              #15
                              Re: Judging an original car.

                              Originally posted by Mark Edmondson (22468)
                              Your first question suggests more clarity about what you want may help: "take [it] for judging or should I just drive it and have fun?"

                              Maybe consider a middle path and some of the advice above: Clean it, make it safe to drive, enjoy it, then have it judged if you're so inclined.

                              I'm glad you're not considering a restomod.
                              Opportunity is missed by most people
                              because it is dressed in overalls and looks like work.
                              Thomas Edison

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