1965 Engine pad ???

[Jeff A.]

Anyone have an opinion on this pad.
Looks like it has been sanded to create lines.

But how do these numbers look - could this be original and authentic?

[Jay G.]

Re: 1965 Engine pad ???

I do like the look of the numbers. Not sure of the over rough pad.

[Bill I.]

Re: 1965 Engine pad ???

What's with the last H? To my eyes, I think what appears to be broach marks are not running completely vertical. Bill.

[Jeff A.]

Re: 1965 Engine pad ???

The deck has been resurfaced - yes.
For the most part the original broached surface of the block is gone.
But that does not always mean the numbers have been reapplied also.
All the dates and castings line up properly.

Also, The last H is typical with some of the limited production engines like this one a 327/365hp -- something I have seen frequently.

I just can't call this one 100% either way.
A good friend is considering purchasing this car - it is in "very driver" condition.

i don't know what to tell him.

[Tony S.]

Re: 1965 Engine pad ???

It's tough to give any more than a provisional opinion based on a photograph. Broach marks should run parallel to the crank. The "broach marks" on this pad don't seem to run parallel with each other and with the crank.

[Mike M.]

Re: 1965 Engine pad ???

Guys
Could be the photo or maybe it's just me, but, does there seem to be burm around the vin numerals. If so, wouldn't this have to occurred after the surface "re-sufacing/sanding"?
Any thoughts?
HaND

[Jeff A.]

Re: 1965 Engine pad ???

I am really leaning to it being a real pad.
looks to me it received one pass on the milling machine during a rebuild.
If I look past the swirl marks, the original pad appears to be under there.

But then again - people get very creative these days

[Mike E.]

Re: 1965 Engine pad ???

If iot's a "very driver" condition car, and he intends to keep it that way, that pad doesn't make a terrible amount of differnce either way. If he intends to restore it, then it plays in, both in cost of the car now, and value in the future.

[Jeff A.]

Re: 1965 Engine pad ???

He wants to buy as authentic as he can.
That way if he ever decides to restore -- it still would be a good candidate.

today -- It will determine the price he is willing to pay.

[John H.]

Re: 1965 Engine pad ???

I see raised metal around many of the character impressions, which would not be there after decking if the stamp was original.

[Page C.]

Re: 1965 Engine pad ???

Hi Jeff,
The car you now own has been listed on E-bay on 2 different occasions. The 2006 listing had a picture of just the assemble date. That picture looked like a original old pad with a lot of patina and no paint on the pad. There were no visible broach marks in the photo. Just looked like a old original 40+year pad. Paint was also missing from the head area.
Looks like someone tried to recreate some broach marks and would have been better to have let it as is.
Send me an E-mail with you address and I will be glad to send you a copy of the photo.
Regards,
Page Campbell
pacjes1212@aol.com

[Jeff A.]

Re: 1965 Engine pad ???

I hate when people do that....
No - I don't own this car.

A very good friend wants very much to buy a 365hp convertible.
I am just trying to help him make a wise selection.
Not an easy thing to do these days. And not so easy with his budget either.

Thanks for the all the help. - yes I would love to see the old pictures!!!

Edit - here is a picture of the same pad last year:

[Robert C.]

Re: 1965 Engine pad ???

The original ,"last year" pic would have been better than the obvious attempt to make broach marks like the "now" picture. To bad people just can't leave things alone. I wouldn't touch the car unless I was never going to sell it!

[Jeff A.]

Re: 1965 Engine pad ???

The original ,"last year" pic would have been better than the obvious attempt to make broach marks like the "now" picture. To bad people just can't leave things alone.

I'm admittedly not an expert, but I agree with the above. As evidenced by this thread, the broach marks raise questions, which will remain forever. If the car is priced as a driver, and everything else about the car is to your friend's liking, he should go for it. However, there's no question in my mind that the authenticity issue will be an ongoing hassle if he ever plans on having it judged, or when he or his estate tries to sell it.

[Timothy B.]

Re: 1965 Engine pad ???

Jeff,
My vote is that it's the real deal, but it's not my money. Pad has been sanded to remove all rust, I think I can see original broach in the pad. If the price is fair and you price in a pad evaluation by the experts it may make a nice car. Is all other 365 stuff there on the engine?