AIM No Tell-Unmolested 1965 Convertible

[Joe C.]

I'd like to know if the "fasteners" (4841194) shown in AIM, UPC 1, Doors, K12, were plastic or metal. If they are plastic, are the heads flat, or do they have a mold seam bisecting the head.

Also, AIM UPC 1, ASM, F15, shows only 2 screws (3418711) into convertible weatherstrip 3880407-8 and coupe 3880403-4. The TIM&JG talks of 4 screws retaining this on a convertible, and 4 screws and a pop rivet retaining on a coupe.
Thanks in advance.

Joe

[Mike M.]

Re: AIM No Tell-Unmolested 1965 Convertible

Hi Joe,
See below,
I have just responded to your earlier post.
I believe the push pins were actually just there to hold the piece in position until the adhesive set-up, it's the adhesive that really holds them in place.
HaND

[Eugene B.]

Re: AIM No Tell-Unmolested 1965 Convertible

Joe,
The information presented is from my very original '65. In fact, the door area in question is completely original.

The 4841194 fastener is plastic with a smooth, flat head. No mold seam.

Regarding the weatherstripping. My early March, convertible has three, phillips head screws on each side. The top most screws are hard to see because they are imbedded in the weatherstripping.

Hope this helps.

Regards,
Gene

[Joe C.]

Re: AIM No Tell-Unmolested 1965 Convertible

Joe,
The information presented is from my very original '65. In fact, the door area in question is completely original.

The 4841194 fastener is plastic with a smooth, flat head. No mold seam.

Regarding the weatherstripping. My early March, convertible has three, phillips head screws on each side. The top most screws are hard to see because they are imbedded in the weatherstripping.

Hope this helps.

Regards,
Gene

Thank you Eugene. As you can see, there are 2 sizes of plastic fasteners.
Those doglegs were fastened with three larger headed pins, and one smaller headed pin, per side, per the pieces that came with the kit I bought about 4 years ago. Since I had to remove them in order to do some paint work, I figured that I'd get the fastener config cleared up (since 3 broke off during removal).

So, I understand you to mean that the larger headed push-ins are the correct shape. I'll buy 6 more, discard the smaller push-ins, and use 4 each side of the larger headed push-ins.
I'll modify them by removing the mold seam, burnishing/melting the heads to make them flat . If they're too large, I'll make the heads smaller, if need be.

[Mike M.]

Re: AIM No Tell-Unmolested 1965 Convertible

Hi Joe.
The three panheads on the right of your thumbnail (#3) are the typical production configuration. Originals defintely were not completely flat and did not have the mold seams. Period!
Something still does not look right.
If I read the ruler correctly, those heads are 5/8" and 3/4" in diameter and are way too large. Originals were about 5/16" in diameter.
HaND

[Eugene B.]

Re: AIM No Tell-Unmolested 1965 Convertible

Mike and Joe,
Something I'm not sure if I understand about the weatherstrip. My car uses one pin per side. That plastic push pin is approximately 3/8" head diameter.

I hope that I'm not leading you astray.

Regards,
Gene

[Joe C.]

Re: AIM No Tell-Unmolested 1965 Convertible

Hi Joe.
The three panheads on the right of your thumbnail (#3) are the typical production configuration. Originals defintely were not completely flat and did not have the mold seams. Period!
Something still does not look right.
If I read the ruler correctly, those heads are 5/8" and 3/4" in diameter and are way too large. Originals were about 5/16" in diameter.
HaND

Mike,

Please bear with me as I'm not the best photographer in the world, and my "macro" setting doesn't allow me to get very close before losing focus.

OK.......I was trying to keep it fairly simple, so now, let's set the "anality"? meter into uncharted territory! Feel free to abandon me at any time, as I think I know what to do now. And, I thank you for your tremendous tenacity so far.

If you look closely, there are actually FOUR different style pins in that row of 8 soldiers in the first thumbnail:
1. The five soldiers on the left, are slightly larger than 3/8" diameter (13/32"), and have a mold seam. SEND THEM TO THE FIRING SQUAD..........NO MOLD SEAMS ALLOWED!
2. The single pin to their right is also 13/32" diameter, thinner head, no mold seam, with rounded edge.........similar in profile to an "oval head".
3. The next single pin to the right is 11/32" diameter, with a flat head, square shoulders, no mold seam, and a slightly "puckered" or indented center area.
4. Finally, the single pin on the far right is exactly same as the one to its immediate left, except that the center is not "puckered", and it has a raised ridge MOLDED IN around its outer annulus.
The two pins on the right side of the thumbnails are 11/32", and the rest are 13/32".

[Joe C.]

Re: AIM No Tell-Unmolested 1965 Convertible

Mike and Joe,
Something I'm not sure if I understand about the weatherstrip. My car uses one pin per side. That plastic push pin is approximately 3/8" head diameter.

I hope that I'm not leading you astray.

Regards,
Gene

Gene,

Understand that I'm now talking about the "dogleg", or "L" shaped weatherstrip, which is fastened to the upper forward surface of the doors with four black plastic, round head fasteners.
I ASSUME that these four fasteners are similar to or same as the single plastic fastener used on your (but not Mike's) hinge pillar weatherstrip.

Joe

[Mike M.]

Re: AIM No Tell-Unmolested 1965 Convertible

Hi Eugene
Yes, we must be speaking of two different strips.
I have been racking my brain trying to recall a strip with a single push pin and have come up empty.
Joe
I have been speaking from memory, without actual measurement as my car is inaccessably in storage.
I was referring to the three right side heads as being correct in their outer configuration. The photo was all mushy and I could not and can not distinguish any detail difference in the three. The original head was smooth.
Now, from your descriptions of these three, it would appear to be the first one.
It now seems that the top increments on your rule are 1/32's and not 1/16's as I earlier observed.
This would again seem to confirm that the first head you described (third from the right end) would be the one you have been searching for.
Some answers are more easily conveyed than others.
In part, I view this type of exercise like a football game, let's call Time out, look at the replay and be sure to make the right call. Not a problem.
If you need more data, I will be Judging Bow-tie cars at the Convention and hopefully have an adequate reference population.
HaND