How To Dull Paint in Door Jambs???

[Patrick H.]

Re: How To Dull Paint in Door Jambs???

I'm a little confused as to why everyone seems to think that all the paint in door jambs is supposed to be semi flat?
I agree that some/many areas of the jambs that received a light, non flowing coat of paint may appear somewhat less glossy than the bottom half of a door outer panel but there are some areas that look just as good/glossy. Why would there be a difference/
I'm not suggesting any door jamb or hood trough should have a polished BC/CC look but it can look a bit better than semi gloss.
Why would an area in a door jamb look any different than the lower section of a rear 1/4 panel or inside the louvers on the front lower fender on an original paint car?

Michael,

It wouldn't.
Many cars with BC/CC that I see who try and "dull down" the jambs actually overdo it.

Patrick

[Joe R.]

Re: How To Dull Paint in Door Jambs???

Hi Kirk:

I had very good success adding some Krylon semis-gloss clear in the door jambs and other areas that were not buffed out at St. Louis. It took a liitle effort to make sure there wasn't a visible tape line, but I was able to work that out okay. I only lost a few points on originality at the 2007 National, and only lost a few on condition. It was well worth the effort.

The really big hit in paint judging is if you get a 100% deduction on originality, you are not eligible for any condition points. If you dull down the necessary areas (or just most of them), the originality deduction will be small enough that you qualify for condition points.

[Bill W.]

Re: How To Dull Paint in Door Jambs???

First.. jambs are not "flat or dull or scotch brghted or cleared" they are unbuffed exterior paint .Real ones can have runs ,bubbles ,thin spots , grinder marks ,etc. some had a little gloss some did not ,it depended on the color and the guy painting that day. A very good rule of thumb when looking at the exterior of most original St Louis built cars if you can read your name on your work shirt its to smooth and way to shinny..That being said keep in mind the jambs were an unbuffed version of the exterior. Mike Ernst is correct a good paint judge is tuff to fool....Bill

[Michael H.]

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some had a little gloss some did not ,That being said keep in mind the jambs were an unbuffed version of the exterior. Mike Ernst is correct a good paint judge is tuff to fool....Bill

Yup, Bill is correct. If a normal coat of paint was applied to a section of a door jamb, it would appear exactly the same as an area on almost any exterior body panel below the body line.
If, for example, the rear lower panel is shinny, there would be no reason why the door jambs would be any less shinny.
The reason why much of the door jamb area is less shinny than any other part of the body below the body line is that it was light/dry spray. These areas would typically be the hinge pillar and front of the door.
The rear of the door and the lock pillar would often have a normal coat of color and, if so, the gloss would nearly match that of any other part of the exterior color below the body line. (the horizontal peak line half way down the side of the body)
We will likely never see glossy paint on the front of the door in the hinge area because that area was almost always minimum coverage dry spray.

[Clem Z.]

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no one answered my question how come lacquer is not used for painting these cars

[Michael H.]

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no one answered my question how come lacquer is not used for painting these cars

Good question Clem. I hear lacquer IS available but I also hear the quality is not as good as it was several years ago.
I've seen some excellent lacquer repaints in the last several years. Most of the improvements are in the primer.

[Joel F.]

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Clem,

It is also hard to find a painter willing and able to shoot lacquer. Painters in many shops have never used lacquer and don't have the time or inclination to learn. Additionally, some shops refuse to use it due to potential EPA issues.

Joel

[Mark R.]

Re: How To Dull Paint in Door Jambs???

Thanks to all who contributed to this thread.

The paint issue is not as clear cut as a casting number; however, from this discussion one can gain insight as what should be done when using BC/CC to try to gain as many points as possible. I would think the operative word here is "attempt" and I think Patrick's comments give good direction as to what constitutes an "honest attempt" to have the car's paint appear as factory original.

Good luck to all using BC/CC.

Mark

[Christopher R.]

Re: How To Dull Paint in Door Jambs???

Steel wool.

[Joe C.]

Re: How To Dull Paint in Door Jambs???

Bon-Ami works good.
As they say: "It hasn't scratched yet"


If you use any kind of "spray bombs" to "dull down" the finish of your door jams, you'll say goodbye to any thought of solvent resistance..........even common gasoline.

Rust-oleum makes a "lacquer" product in spray bombs. I've used it in black. Works even better than Bon-Ami!

[Clem Z.]

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Steel wool.

you watched "the last stink ray"

[Kirk M.]

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I have been told that dulling the paint on door jams and other areas can be done by spraying with Krylon flat or semi-gloss clear spray paint. The difficult part is keeping the edges hidden. This can be accomplished by using masking tape and carefully rolling it back to achieve the "edge". Tricky but it does work.

Bruce and the rest,

What is the roll back masking tape technique several people have mentioned? Thanks.

Kirk

[Mike M.]

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Kirk
take two pieces of masking tape, one adhesive down, turn the other piece with the adhesive up. Overlap the edges of the two slightly placing the two adhesive sides toghther. Now you have a double wide strip with half of the adhesive down and the other half up. Take the outer edge of the adhesive-up piece and roll it back about half its width past the edge of the adhesive down piece. You now have the two edges, both adhesive down on one side, forming a hollow rolled edge on the other side that allows some over spray to feather or vignette under the "Roll" forming a "Soft Edge"
HaND

[Chris E.]

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Has anyone else seen a lot of "dulled door jamb" cars getting points back in judging? I also have a 67 that is BC/CC and I'm anticipating a complete deduct on paint.

[Joel F.]

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the current paint Judging standard adopted over a year ago has a possibility of four segment choices.
To paraphrase, if the paint appears to be typically applied factory material, no deduction. Check the box and move on.
Same as above, but, over restored, 20% deduction.
Viewing the exterior only, if the paint appears totally unlike factory applied material, 100% deduction of originality points and subsequently 100% deduction of the condition points as well.
After this determination, the Judges can then open the doors, hood and view other "Hidden" areas. If these area appear to be sufficently dull to meet judging standards for typical factory production, then 50% of the points can be credited back.

Chris,

Read Mike's post above for the judging flow for paint. Basically, if you go thru the trouble of dulling BC/CC you can half your originality points back, and potentially all your condition points.

Joel