Oil Filter Cross References

[Stuart F.]

Does anyone have any old cross reference charts that would show what current Oil filter replaces an old AC Delco PF-2 or Framm PH-8?

I have an old "Mr. Gasket" spin on oil filter adapter kit that calls for one of these two filters, and I can't find a reference back further than 1985 at the Auto Parts Store. I think I bought the kit in about 1980 and it seems to require a smaller diameter seal than on current filters.

Will Appreciate any info you have.

Thanks;

Stu Fox

[Joe L.]

Re: Oil Filter Cross References

Does anyone have any old cross reference charts that would show what current Oil filter replaces an old AC Delco PF-2 or Framm PH-8?

I have an old "Mr. Gasket" spin on oil filter adapter kit that calls for one of these two filters, and I can't find a reference back further than 1985 at the Auto Parts Store. I think I bought the kit in about 1980 and it seems to require a smaller diameter seal than on current filters.

Will Appreciate any info you have.

Thanks;

Stu Fox

Stu----


You don't need a cross reference. AC PF-2 is still an active part number that you can purchase. I'm almost sure that Fram PH-8 is also still available, too.

[Duke W.]

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I recommend Baldwin filters. A quick google search will find you their Web site and online cross reference catalog.

Fram is junk!

Duke

[Stuart F.]

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Thanks Joe and Duke. Guess I'm shopping at the wrong stores. We're a little on the outskirts of town and were just so happy to have our very own Advance Auto Parts store come into the neighborhood - and a few of the clerks even speak English, but don't know nuthing about cars.

Ah Yes Duke, the Baldwin name rings a bell. We dealt with them a lot for filters for the Locomotives. I'll check on the site you mentioned.

I was considering putting on that adapter so I could change my oil easier while I'm going through this oil dilution problem. I had stocked up on Rotella T 15w 40 oil, but ran out of PF 141 filters.

Stu Fox

[Mike S.]

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a wix 51515 is a good filter.Mike

[Joe L.]

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a wix 51515 is a good filter.Mike

Mike-----


Yes, the Wix 51515 is their equivalent of the AC PF-2 and the Wix filters are one of the best on the market today. I've "dissected" a lot of different brand oil filters and I like the Wix brand a lot. Quite frankly, I like it better than AC-Delco these days. Most of AC oil filters are now manufactured by Champion Labs. Champion makes a good filter, but it's not as good as the Wix in my opinion.

[Mike S.]

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Joe. wix filters have real neopreme anti flow back valve . a real coil spring.instead of apeice of spring metal.a lot more and better filter element .Mike

[Paul J.]

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Stu:

Joe's right. I think PF-2's and PH-8's are still being made. I have several PH-8's on my shelf.

You can cross reference any old filter by going to the Fram web site and plugging in your engine (I think it goes back as far as you need). It will give you the new Fram number. There may be other manufacturers that do the same thing, or you can go to Pep Boys or the equivalent and cross-reference the new Fram number with other brands from thier books.

I used to use Wix exclusively until I could'nt find them anymore. I believe that it is the best filter on the market. Since I can't find Wix I use Fram.

I did some work for Purolator several years ago and I asked them why thier oil filter paint booth (really only a box) was so many diferrent colors. They told me that at that location they made several brands of filters. They made Purolator (of course), Motorcraft (Ford factory replacement filters), Pennzoil, Lee Eliminator, and some others. All of these filters are exactly the same.

Paul

[Joe L.]

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Stu:


I used to use Wix exclusively until I could'nt find them anymore. I believe that it is the best filter on the market. Since I can't find Wix I use Fram.

I did some work for Purolator several years ago and I asked them why thier oil filter paint booth (really only a box) was so many diferrent colors. They told me that at that location they made several brands of filters. They made Purolator (of course), Motorcraft (Ford factory replacement filters), Pennzoil, Lee Eliminator, and some others. All of these filters are exactly the same.

Paul

Paul-----


Wix filters are more difficult to find than just about any of the others. To find them, you have to go to an "old-fashioned" type auto parts store and definitely not one of the national chain-type stores. Also, auto parts stores that cater to heavy equipment and heavy duty truck markets will often carry the Wix brand.

What you found at the Purolator factory is just what I would expect. I think that Purolator is the largest supplier of filters sold under other brand names. My "dissection" project revealed that the "innerds" of Purolator filters were identical to most of the "house" brands I opened up. Purolator may even manufacture some of the AC Delco filter models now, too.

Champion Labs is the other manufacturer of quite a few different brands' filters. I believe they are the main supplier to AC Delco at this time. Champion Labs uses different internal construction for different filter lines. Their "Champ" brand seems to use the "el cheapo" internal construction. On the other hand, the synthetic media filters they make for Mobil 1, AC Delco and others have a more "premium" internal construction.

[Joe L.]

Re: Oil Filter Cross References

Joe. wix filters have real neopreme anti flow back valve . a real coil spring.instead of apeice of spring metal.a lot more and better filter element .Mike

Mike-----


Yes, Wix is the only filter I found that uses a coil spring to tension the filter element in the shell. All the others use the "el cheapo" single element "leaf spring".

Wix also uses metal end caps for their filter elements. AC Delco USED TO when they made their own filters. Now that Champion makes them, most of the filters no longer use the metal end caps on the element.

Also, Wix uses steel cores on the filter elements. These are being phased out in most other filters and replaced by plastic cores.

I'm sure that these cheapened" oil filters still work ok; they do meet the auto manufacturers warranty requirements. However, I like the "heavy duty" construction of the Wix filters.

[Stuart F.]

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Paul;

Thanks. I sometimes forget about the great source of information of the internet. I looked at the Fram PH-8A at the store which may be the deep version of the PH-8, which would be good. I'll check their web site to see.

I have had good service from the Wix filters in the past, but finding them may be the problem. I know the construction industries use them a lot with their off road equipment.

Stu fox

[Paul J.]

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Thanks for the info Joe. I always wondered if any of the contract filter manufacturers bothered to change the media or internal construction for different price brackets.

Paul

[Joe L.]

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Paul;

I know the construction industries use them a lot with their off road equipment.

Stu fox

Stu------



...and there's a very good reason they do!

[Mike S.]

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Stuart I own a Parts City auto parts we carry wixs filters. OReilly auto parts carrys wixs. wixs makes napa filters. Mike

[Stuart F.]

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Mike;

Thanks to you and the other fellows I think I have things straight in my head now. I found the Wix web site very easy to use (Fram's is a little less convenient), and located a couple of Independent Parts houses near by that handle their products. It's interesting to learn they make NAPA as well. I often go to them for hard to find items, but they are much further away and are in a construction area (hard to get to) right now.

Thanks again. This morning I will "Phone First" to make sure they have what I need on hand.

Have a great day.

Stu Fox