Krylon 1613 & John Deere Blitz Black

[Greg L.]

I've read that either of these is okay for under hood black-out for a 69 but at first glance it looks like the blitz black is almost dead flat where as the 1613 is more of a semi flat. I havent actually sprayed the blitz black yet so I'm just comparing some of what has dried on the lid to some 1613 that I have sprayed.

So basically is the degree of gloss pretty much the same with these two paints or is one generally flatter than the other? Which one would be prefered for underhood black-out on a 69?

[Terry M.]

Re: Krylon 1613 & John Deere Blitz Black

1613 matched my 1970 perfectly. It might have to do with weather conditions and the distance from the object being painted.

[Greg L.]

Re: Krylon 1613 & John Deere Blitz Black

Thanks Terry. So what is the Blitz Black for then...mostly the wheel wells and muffler black-out? I thought it was for under the hood/firewall black-out as well but maybe I'm wrong on this. It sure wouldn't be the first time!

[Terry M.]

Re: Krylon 1613 & John Deere Blitz Black

I think the formula for 1613 has recently changed -- I believe I saw that posted on this forum recently.

Many folks are fans of the Blitz Black, and it may work just fine. I'm just citing my experience based on a hood repair done years ago.

I don't think anything out of a spray can duplicates the muffler blackout. What you spray on them may be better than a fair facsimile, to steal a phrase, but I have yet to see anything that really looks like the original coating.

[Harmon C.]

Re: Krylon 1613 & John Deere Blitz Black

Terry is right their was a thread about Krylon 1613 and to get the old product I think you need to buy from the industrial line of Krylon. The John Deere blitz black has also changed because the last case I got has more gloss than the old cans I had. I think you need to just pick a blackout paint from thease two and go with it.

[Lyndon S.]

Re: Krylon 1613 & John Deere Blitz Black

Terry
Any idea what was the original coating on the 70-72 black out on the mufflers?

[Terry M.]

Re: Krylon 1613 & John Deere Blitz Black

No I don't. Except to describe it as thick and soluble in gasoline. It is a dull black when all is done. Runs are usual. I'm not even sure it was paint –- which is why I keep calling it a coating. That term covers whatever it is.

I have been looking for years for someone to come up with something to more closely duplicate the original coating than BBQ black, which is what I think most people use. So far I have seen nothing that moves me. We don't deduct a whole lot for the muffler black-out finish when it is basically black paint, and I would wager in many cases there is no deduction -- so there isn't much motivation to "do it right" and given what I imagine might be environmental hurdles we may never get there. I'm sure there is often no deduction because not too many of us have been around long enough to have seen the original blackout. Maybe that is one of the curses of getting old. If so, it is not too much to bare.

[Alan S.]

Re: Krylon 1613 & John Deere Blitz Black

Hi Greg,
I like the look of #1613. But I REALLY like that it's easy to keep clean and easy to touch-up with out showing a 'ghost' ring around the fix.
Regards,
Alan

[Wayne P.]

Re: Krylon 1613 & John Deere Blitz Black

If someone has found a source for the OLD 1613 Krylon, PLEASE post it here. As stated, it is near perfect for blackout. I've searched for a source for about 3 months now with zero success.

[Dick W.]

Re: Krylon 1613 & John Deere Blitz Black

I think that all ya'll need to be looking at SEMS products. A little pricey, but the quality is light years ahead of Krylon, and it does come in a variety of shades of black.

[Greg L.]

Re: Krylon 1613 & John Deere Blitz Black

Dick do you think the SEM "trim black" would be about right for the under hood black-out?

Anyways back to the 1613.... I just got back from Canadian Tire and picked up a few cans of Krylon Satin Black #451613. Now I can't say for sure if this is the same as the old 1613 but often times a company will add a prefix or suffix to their product number for various reasons and it may or may not mean that the formula has changed. I still have some of the "original" 1613 so I'll spray a comparison between it and the "new" 451613 in a few days and let you all know if I can see any difference.

[Patrick H.]

Re: Krylon 1613 & John Deere Blitz Black

I think that all ya'll need to be looking at SEMS products. A little pricey, but the quality is light years ahead of Krylon, and it does come in a variety of shades of black.

Agree.

My alternate is the "Underhood Black" sold by Eastwood. I highly suspect it's another brand "relabeled" but I like it far more than Krylon. And, since JD Blitz Black was also reformulated a few years ago, comparisons to formulae of the past are not valid.

Patrick

[Greg L.]

Re: Krylon 1613 & John Deere Blitz Black

Hey Patrick what is it about the eastwood under hood black that you like? I always thought that the Krylon 1613 was THE paint to use for this but maybe not... If the eastwood is a better choice then I'll get some of that too.

I'm sure getting quite the collection of black paints that's for sure!!!

[Patrick H.]

Re: Krylon 1613 & John Deere Blitz Black

Hey Patrick what is it about the Eastwood under hood black that you like? I always thought that the Krylon 1613 was THE paint to use for this but maybe not... If the Eastwood is a better choice then I'll get some of that too.

I'm sure getting quite the collection of black paints that's for sure!!!

It's been a few years since I used it, but I liked the sheen better and it was slightly "thicker." It exactly matched the original paint on the inner fenders and has been easy to wash. It has also been easy to match.

I have not used SEM Trim Black for underhood, but I might try it some time - it's my favorite one for inside the car.

Patrick

[Jeff A.]

Re: Krylon 1613 & John Deere Blitz Black

Dick do you think the SEM "trim black" would be about right for the under hood black-out?

Anyways back to the 1613.... I just got back from Canadian Tire and picked up a few cans of Krylon Satin Black #451613. Now I can't say for sure if this is the same as the old 1613 but often times a company will add a prefix or suffix to their product number for various reasons and it may or may not mean that the formula has changed.

451613 isn't even close to the 1613. Way too glossy. Check the following thread for additional info:
https://www.forums.ncrs.org/showthre...+1613&uid=1291
Good luck!
Jeff