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  • John S.
    Very Frequent User
    • May 4, 2008
    • 424

    67 327 starting problems

    Ok guys, here's one for you. My 67 327/300 is having intermittent problems starting. I have owned the car for just 3 weeks now and it has done it since I bought it. First off it happens cold or hot does not matter. I will turn the key to start and it will turn the starter motor over but not engage the bendix drive to turn the flywheel. I will hit it a couple of times and it will finally catch. Car has 33,xxx miles and has the original starter and 11114344 solenoid. I replaced the solenoid and it did the same thing. When I posted about the solenoid a few weeks back it was explained to me how to repair. I had the starter in and out 4 times this morning swapping solenoid discs etc. Even took the motor apart to check it out and it looks like it has been rebuilt.(probably when car was restored in 92). I would like to keep the car all original. Any ideas?
    John Seeley
    67 Black/Teal
    300 hp 3 speed coupe
    65 Maroon/Black
    35k mile Fuelie coupe
  • Louie C.
    Frequent User
    • March 1, 1980
    • 43

    #2
    Re: 67 327 starting problems

    To me, it sounds like you have a bad bendix drive

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    • Gene M.
      Extremely Frequent Poster
      • April 1, 1985
      • 4232

      #3
      Re: 67 327 starting problems

      I had the same problem with my 65, I replaced the starter motor field coils and armature and it has been fine since. Every once in a while if it has sat a few weeks the starter will spin free. On second attempt it always engages and starts. I believe it has been 5 or 6 years since that problem was rectified by replacing parts. It never does it when warm or hot. I guess letting it sitting around not being used is a bad thing..........

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      • John S.
        Very Frequent User
        • May 4, 2008
        • 424

        #4
        Re: 67 327 starting problems

        Louie,
        When I had the shaft out I checked it and it seemed fine. It would slip one way and turn the other. Is there a really good way of checking it?
        John
        John Seeley
        67 Black/Teal
        300 hp 3 speed coupe
        65 Maroon/Black
        35k mile Fuelie coupe

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        • Louie C.
          Frequent User
          • March 1, 1980
          • 43

          #5
          Re: 67 327 starting problems

          John, it's been a while since I've torn one down, but I believe it is in the ractchet mechanism of the bendix. I have seen some really bad ones that would turn both ways, and would spin and not turn the flywheel. If you have access to a lift, you might remove the dust shield from the bellhousing and observe the engagement when the starter is turn on by a helper.
          With all of the cars I've worked on through the years, the bendix drive change corrected what you described, at least for me it did.

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          • Gerard F.
            Extremely Frequent Poster
            • June 30, 2004
            • 3803

            #6
            Re: 67 327 starting problems

            John,

            Try it with a new fully charged battery and new cables. If it does the same thing then put in a new starter. Then get your original starter refurbed.

            You'll be surprized what a new battery, cables and starter will do.
            Jerry Fuccillo
            1967 327/300 Convertible since 1968

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            • John S.
              Very Frequent User
              • May 4, 2008
              • 424

              #7
              Re: 67 327 starting problems

              I will do all of the above. Thanks guys
              John Seeley
              67 Black/Teal
              300 hp 3 speed coupe
              65 Maroon/Black
              35k mile Fuelie coupe

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              • Bill M.
                Extremely Frequent Poster
                • July 31, 1989
                • 1317

                #8
                Re: 67 327 starting problems

                This is far out but once i had a few teeth missing on my fly wheel it took me for ever to figure out.

                Bill

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                • Timothy B.
                  Extremely Frequent Poster
                  • April 30, 1983
                  • 5177

                  #9
                  Re: 67 327 starting problems

                  John, Change the starter drive (bendix) and I think you will fix the problem. As I recall you first question some time ago referenced overhauling the solenoid. The symptoms you describe are starter drive related.

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                  • John S.
                    Very Frequent User
                    • May 4, 2008
                    • 424

                    #10
                    Re: 67 327 starting problems

                    You are right about the solenoid. Have swapped it with same results. I have since put the original solenoid back on. I have become very proficient at starter R & R! Found a rebuild place local to me and am heading over there this afternoon to pick up a new one.
                    John
                    John Seeley
                    67 Black/Teal
                    300 hp 3 speed coupe
                    65 Maroon/Black
                    35k mile Fuelie coupe

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                    • Michael B.
                      Very Frequent User
                      • June 18, 2007
                      • 400

                      #11
                      Re: 67 327 starting problems

                      This is a drive or ring gear problem. The way the system works is that when you turn the key it energizes an magnetic field in the solenoid and pulls an iron core towards the center of the solenoid. This movement first swings the fork and moves the drive into the ring gear teeth. At the terminal end of the solenoid is a small pin which, at the end of the iron core stroke, is pushed forward, pushing a small copper disk into the electrical contacts under the solenoid cap. This in turn completes the field coil circuit and the starter begins to spin.

                      So...If the starter is spinning all those componets are working INCLUDING the drive engaging the ring gear. If the starter spins and doesn't spin the engine it must be the clutch in the drive or missing teeth on the ring gear. Missing ring gear teeth usually includes a terrible grinding noise. I'm sure you are going to find it is the drive.

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