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  • Bill C.
    Very Frequent User
    • May 31, 1989
    • 424

    1966 early radiator support version #1 survey

    Hi to all 1966 owners!

    Doing a survey for research, If you own a 1966 model bb or sb A/C or not and it has an original radiator support can you check something on yours for this survey?

    On the RH side of all models, above the "oval hole" in the support where the rubber hoses for an automatic versions rubber lines for the cooler would pass through there were additional holes put into the support for a/c refrigerant lines, again, these were installed in all supports regardless of options or engine size.

    Version #1 as I refer to it , is generally only seen on very early cars as it has NO additional holes for the refrigerant lines to pass through. These would have been manufactured for use based on the first designed refrigerant line design which never saw production as it was quickly discovered that that design would interfere with the hood support which was on the RH side. This is shown as the many pages of original A/C design pages that are stamped cancelled in the assembly manual.

    This is the reason why the support was moved to the LH side and some very early BB cars did have the hood support on the RH side.

    It was then quickly decided to move the support to the LH side and Put ONE hole in the support in order to pass one refrigerant line through it.
    This support design I refer to as version #2 and appears to be the only design ever used in production on an air conditioned car.
    THIS IS THE LINE SET REFERED TO AS "EARLY 66" IN CATALOGS.

    Sometime later in 1966 the radiator support was again redesigned and an additional hole was added in order to pass both refrigerant lines through the support, one would assume this was done again because of continued interference problems with the hood on SB A/C cars, this design support remained that way through the end of model year 1967 unchanged This support I refer to as version #3
    The line set for this support in 1966 model year is refered to as "Late 66" in catalogs.

    I am hoping to get some feedback from members on which support you have, including vin#, AOS or St Loius, engine size and options. Pics would even be better if added to your response.

    I would like to determine how long into the year version #1 was used ( I have seen it on sb and bb cars, non-a/c cars till end of Dec. in both AOS and St Louis bodies) It is of interest how many of this version would have been manufactured before that first design package was cancelled and it appears were used anyway in a non-A/C car as it did not make any difference and the parts had to be used.

    This would have been one of those circumstances I think where the parts were put on the line and the line guys were instructed to use them until gone but NOT for an air conditioned car

    Hoping I get plenty of responses here or privately if you prefer not share individual specific info.

    I would welcome others thoughts on this also!

    Thanks in advance for your efforts!

    Bill Caldwell
  • Jeff A.
    Expired
    • November 1, 2005
    • 199

    #2
    Re: 1966 early radiator support version #1 survey

    Bill,
    Here are some shots taken after we gutted my engine bay of my '66 427/390, no options. #09287. Not sure if they show enough of what you're looking for. Next time I'm at the shop, I'll try to take some more specific shots.
    Regards,
    Jeff
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    • Fred Y.
      Very Frequent User
      • April 30, 2000
      • 319

      #3
      Re: 1966 early radiator support version #1 survey

      "SURVEY SAYS!!!!!"
      Bill,sorry I didn't get back sooner-if you want to have a look @ my coupe today,give me a call---------

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      • Bill C.
        Very Frequent User
        • May 31, 1989
        • 424

        #4
        Re: 1966 early radiator support version #1 survey

        Originally posted by Jeff Alper (44794)
        Bill,
        Here are some shots taken after we gutted my engine bay of my '66 427/390, no options. #09287. Not sure if they show enough of what you're looking for. Next time I'm at the shop, I'll try to take some more specific shots.
        Regards,
        Jeff
        Jeff, Thanks
        Looks like you have version # 3, shown clearly.
        I thank you for your effort!
        Bill Caldwell

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        • Tommy M.
          Expired
          • January 1, 2006
          • 4

          #5
          Re: 1966 early radiator support version #1 survey

          Bill; I checked our '66 and it only has the "oval hole" but does not have the hole above it as the one in the photo that Jeff sent in. The build date is Oct 12 '65. If this is what you need, I will send you whatever you need. Tommy

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          • Bill C.
            Very Frequent User
            • May 31, 1989
            • 424

            #6
            Re: 1966 early radiator support version #1 survey

            Originally posted by Tommy McGregor (45058)
            Bill; I checked our '66 and it only has the "oval hole" but does not have the hole above it as the one in the photo that Jeff sent in. The build date is Oct 12 '65. If this is what you need, I will send you whatever you need. Tommy

            Tommy,
            Excellent, you have an original version #1. I would love a pic and am grateful for your effort!
            Bill

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            • Jeff A.
              Expired
              • November 1, 2005
              • 199

              #7
              Re: 1966 early radiator support version #1 survey

              Bill,
              Here's a better shot. Dec 22, 1965 build, as far as I can determine. A.O. Smith.
              Jeff
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              • Steven S.
                Expired
                • August 29, 2007
                • 571

                #8
                Re: 1966 early radiator support version #1 survey

                rad_support.jpg
                January 7th 1966 St. Louis car, I can't confirm 100% that this support is original to this car, so please keep that in mind with this example.

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                • Bill C.
                  Very Frequent User
                  • May 31, 1989
                  • 424

                  #9
                  Re: 1966 early radiator support version #1 survey

                  Originally posted by Jeff Alper (44794)
                  Bill,
                  Here's a better shot. Dec 22, 1965 build, as far as I can determine. A.O. Smith.
                  Jeff
                  Jeff,
                  Thank you again, I corrected my first response, you have version #3
                  Bill

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                  • Bill C.
                    Very Frequent User
                    • May 31, 1989
                    • 424

                    #10
                    Re: 1966 early radiator support version #1 survey

                    Originally posted by Steven Snyder (47742)
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                    January 7th 1966 St. Louis car, I can't confirm 100% that this support is original to this car, so please keep that in mind with this example.

                    Thanks Steve,
                    Appreciate your efforts, thats version #3
                    Bill

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                    • Jeff A.
                      Expired
                      • November 1, 2005
                      • 199

                      #11
                      Re: 1966 early radiator support version #1 survey

                      Originally posted by Bill Caldwell (15218)
                      Jeff,
                      ...you have version #3
                      Bill
                      Hmmm,
                      Perhaps mine isn't original, as my car was built in Dec '65 and you indicate that version #3 wasn't incorporated until late '66. Was version #3 used as a service replacement?
                      Jeff

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                      • Tom D.
                        Extremely Frequent Poster
                        • September 30, 1981
                        • 2126

                        #12
                        Re: 1966 early radiator support from SN 02999 (S968)

                        Bill: My car was made just prior to Oct 15, 1965, with B13 on the trim tag.

                        It's a 300HP non-Air 4-speed convertible with a telescopic Steering column. The photo does not reflect the current condition of the body...

                        Hope I have given all the information you need. If not, simply ask.

                        Tom
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                        https://MichiganNCRS.org
                        Michigan Chapter
                        Tom Dingman

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                        • Tommy M.
                          Expired
                          • January 1, 2006
                          • 4

                          #13
                          Re: 1966 early radiator support version #1 survey

                          Bill; Our '66 is a 390HP BB car, no power, no air. I purchased the car 5 years from the second owner that had the car since late '66 and I am sure that the support is as new. When I can I will get you a picture. Tommy

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                          • Bill C.
                            Very Frequent User
                            • May 31, 1989
                            • 424

                            #14
                            Re: 1966 early radiator support version #1 survey

                            Originally posted by Jeff Alper (44794)
                            Hmmm,
                            Perhaps mine isn't original, as my car was built in Dec '65 and you indicate that version #3 wasn't incorporated until late '66. Was version #3 used as a service replacement?
                            Jeff
                            Jeff,
                            Based on the amount of info and first hand observations so far, yes, I would say yours was a service replacement. But lets not put that in stone yet as I still do not have enough info to determine when the changeover point was between version #2 and #3.

                            It appears once that version was introduced they only produced that version of the support for service.
                            How many were already in the pipe from the earlier version including #1, hopefully as this survey moves forward we will see!

                            Thanks for your participation!
                            Bill Caldwell

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                            • Wayne M.
                              Expired
                              • March 1, 1980
                              • 6414

                              #15
                              Re: 1966 early radiator support version #1 survey

                              Hi Bill -- here's a pic I took of a friend's car (hope he doesn't mind) a few months ago. This is a blow-up of the area of discussion, FWIW. The car is an original later '66 L72 (#219xx) that is undergoing its first 'restoration'.. it was still running on its original K66 system .

                              Sorry I don't have other shots that show more.
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