Deduction For Reproduction Tires
Is there a standard deduction on correct reproduction tires when having your car flight judged? Last year my tires lost 11 points out of 30 on originality and 6 points on conditions. The tires have less then 5 miles on them. Is such a deduction something a owner should accept or is this fair? The tires I purchased were from coker tire. They are firestone white walls. I know Kelsey Goodyear is out there as well. I am interested to see anyones opinion and or advise on this matter on what is acceptable deduction a owner should accepted. Thanks Jeff
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Jeff, the standard deduct is 10% for Repo OEM non-DOT, or 3 points. For a 63 the Firestones should be Deluxe Champion. -
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Steve
Thanks. My tires are Firestone deluxe champions. But they do have the DOT on them. My understanding is that all new repops have to by law have DOT on them? I just purchased a set tires for my 68 from Kelsey Goodyear and they have DOT on them as well. I have not seen repops tires with non DOT. Thanks for the info
JeffComment
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Many reproduction tires have deviations well beyond the "DOT" label and thus fall well outside the 10% guideline. There are many reproductions available today, and it would be wise for anyone planning a purchase for judging to talk with some of the knowledgable judges from the years you are interested in to learn the pros and cons of various vendor's offerings.Bill Clupper #618Comment
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Bill
Thank you very much
JeffComment
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'68 tires were required to have the DOT after 1/1/68. There are examples well before that dateComment
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Jeff,
am confused as to how your tires lost 11 points for originality!? sounds like someone didn't know about standard deductions!Rick Aleshire
2016 Ebony C7R Z06 "ROSA"Comment
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rick
I am confused as well. That's why and am looking
For some advise because I believe the deduction
Was not correct. These tires were new and only had 5 miles
On them. This weekend I post a picture of them and see what
Type of response I get from the posting before I think about
Changing them. I hate to do it but 11 points is a lot
Of points to lose as well as 6 points on condition
Thanks JeffComment
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Keep in mind that the percentages shown for standard deducts on tires are for 5 tires. Do not deduct for a non-matching spare, which appears as original.
Page CampbellComment
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Depending on the number and type of deviations from original, deductions can be up to 60%. Check the Judging Reference Manual for a list.Comment
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Fellas and Reba,
When judging is performed by the same set of judges at every meet in every part of the country and world, the standards will be the same.
Just ain't going to happen!!!!!
Thank the NCRS members for volunteering their time to help members like yourself restore your cars to original.
Thank the reproduction industry for making those parts available to help members like yourself restore your cars to original.
If cars were judged by machines and not talented NCRS members we could possibly rely on consistent judging at every meet.
Until then refer to above paragraphs three and four!
JRComment
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Jeff, I am going to guess that your car was judged at a chapter meet. Every car owner planning on going for the blue ribbon should own and really study the Judging Reference Manual. In the 7th edition on page 21 it covers the deducts.
Having the DOT repro tires is not going to hurt you much. The deductions are quite fair. Hopefully you didn't but the fake radials ply tires as they are a major hit like Reba said.
My 63 has 4 repro tires. First regional it went to I lost 3 points, I have the original spare so I might have been overcharged by 1 lousy point.
2nd show was a chapter show. Only lost 2 points..
3rd show was our Pittsburgh chapter Regional last June. Just looked and see I only lost 2 points. Judges note says" Spare non dot."
Condition. Maybe you got hit because you didn't remove the white film-waxy film that seems to grow on your tires. On the other hand that may be covered under overall cleanliness.
Tell us more about the tires you bought besides who you bought them from. Good luck, JDComment
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I don't think the judging reference manual cares how many tires you are judging. If the line item is for 4 road tires and 60% is the deduction that is what you take. If the line item is for 5 tires and they are all alike and 60% is the deductin that is what you take. Some years may group the 5 tires together and others judge the spare alone but the percentages stay the same. In the case of the 5 tires judged together and the spare being original to the car then I can see needing to do some extra math and take off one tire(original spare) as you stated but the percentage for the other four tires would still come from the chart.Lyle
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I just sent a new set from Coker to a guy that I was told can take the DOT and load range off and it is undetectable. How I don't know, but I should get them back to the shop the end of next week. E-mail me if you want his info, I will post and let you know how they look.
Jeremy Hedges
#31711
Hedges Corvettes, LLC
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