Why no transmission judging?

[Clark K.]

The 1965 JG, Section 10 Transmission, page 148 states: "Note: Do not judge transmission casting numbers, manufacturing dates, or VIN derivatives."

Because of this, there must be some transmissions that are not correctly date-coded for the car. NCRS judges the engine stamp pad but not this? Can anyone tell me why?
-Clark

[Dick W.]

Re: Why no transmission judging?

Cars are not jacked up in flight judging. Some of resemble "beached whales" when we are lying on the ground and could not get under the car to judge those numbers, plus when you add sidepipes it is impossible to even see under the center of the car

[Chuck G.]

Re: Why no transmission judging?

Cars are not jacked up in flight judging. Some of resemble "beached whales" when we are lying on the ground and could not get under the car to judge those numbers, plus when you add sidepipes it is impossible to even see under the center of the car

I second Dick. I'm 6'4", about 245#. NO WAY could I even partially crawl under a car to read transmission numbers and dates. I can barely make out rear end casting numbers and dates.



Chuck

[Rick A.]

Re: Why no transmission judging?

Hey "little fat buddy Dickie",

here is what youse need for checking numbers!

http://www.chiefsupply.com/Law_Enforcement/Tactical_Equipment/Search_Mirrors/SM3000N

[Keith B.]

Re: Why no transmission judging?

Hey "little fat buddy Dickie",

here is what youse need for checking numbers!

http://www.chiefsupply.com/Law_Enfor...irrors/SM3000N

I second Dick. I'm 6'4", about 245#. NO WAY could I even partially crawl under a car to read transmission numbers and dates. I can barely make out rear end casting numbers and dates.



Chuck

I guess that is why you keep me around to judge cars so I can crawl where you guys can't

[Chuck G.]

Re: Why no transmission judging?

I guess that is why you keep me around to judge cars so I can crawl where you guys can't

My buddy Keith is as skinny as a rail. He's a great chassis/transmission judge. Oh to be young and skinny again.

Here's a pic of me and Rick Aleshire. Can you imagine the two of us judging transmission numbers.

Chuck

[Rick A.]

Re: Why no transmission judging?

Dr Chaz,

tried to do exactly that at the WI Regional! my arms weren't long enough!

[Mark P.]

Why no transmission judging?

Do you think we will see transmission judging in the near future ?

Would that be a very significant change to the judging program to add that ?

[Chuck G.]

Re: Why no transmission judging?

Do you think we will see transmission judging in the near future ?

Would that be a very significant change to the judging program to add that ?

All joking aside, Mark, I think it would be a near impossible task to add it.

Why? Judges simply cannot crawl/slide under cars far enough to see things. Under the best of circumstances, working indoors on a nice floor, it's impossible to "scooch" under far enough. Under less favorable circumstances, like judging on grass or HOT asphalt in a parking lot......well, you get the picture.

If they did add it, it would require a 4 post lift and/or a jack team at every event, even Chapter level events.

Chuck

[Alan D.]

Re: Why no transmission judging?

The prices on camera's and borascopes continue to fall so in the not to distant future expect to see these used. However no rush to get correct transmission yet.
Had a borascope once, but much too bright to read water pump numbers, but new ones have an adjustable light and focus. Granted these run around $250 and more but price keeps falling.

[Clark K.]

Re: Why no transmission judging?

I can see where jacking up cars in order to facilitate judging transmission numbers, etc. would be a safety issue. That is a good enough reason not to do it. But, I was surprised when I read the JG and it stated no numbers were to be judged.

This means that there MUST be some Top Flight cars with incorrect transmissions, at least in regard to date coding, etc.
-Clark

[Rick S.]

Re: Why no transmission judging?

My buddy Keith is as skinny as a rail. He's a great chassis/transmission judge. Oh to be young and skinny again.

Here's a pic of me and Rick Aleshire. Can you imagine the two of us judging transmission numbers.

Chuck

I would guess that Rick is the short, portly guy!!

[Jack H.]

Re: Why no transmission judging?

There may well be Top Flight/Mark of Excellence cars with transmission components that deviate from production norms in terms of casting number and/or date codes. But, there are MANY other items on the car that aren't judged either...

We don't pull the cylinder heads and check out the pistons. We don't 'rip up' the carpeting to check for full coverage of jute vs. plastic foam or modern heat reflecting insulation. The list could go on and on...

Things like that don't bother me... There just ARE some aspects of the car that aren't judged/checked.

On the subject of transmission components being 'impossible' to judge on a side exhaust car, the judges at Bloomington had NO PROBLEM 'slithering' through the grass to read/verify the numbers on my '65!

But, I wouldn't wish that job on a fellow NCRS member working the field today....

[Harry S.]

Re: Why no transmission judging?

There is always a BUT. From the original post it says not to check numbers. Here is the BUT. If I see a transmission that does not look like one installed on a C2, points should be deducted.

[John H.]

Re: Why no transmission judging?

About all you can see (if you're shaped like I am) is the bottom edge of the side cover, but that's enough to verify configuration. If the bottom edge is flat and shows two bolts, it's a Muncie; if it's curved and shows four bolts, it's a T-10.