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  • Norm C.
    Expired
    • April 1, 1989
    • 227

    #16
    Re: Horn Button Judging

    I'm an original owner of a totally un-molested..... "sort of" early build 72 #6905 Nov 3. While as a member since the mid 80's, I just wasn't into having the car judged. I know what the car is so it just didn't seem important to me. Then after several members saw the car, I was convinced to give it a go. So it wasn't until last September that I had the car judged for the first time. Now its been judged 3 times in less than a year,.. Sept 08, May09 and July09. First two times were Regional Flight Judgings / Bowtie Assessments, (both Top Flights) last one was National Bowtie. ( 2 Stars).

    While I'm not in total agreement with the basis of judgement for Bowtie consideration (appears to be in contradiction with the urging by NCRS to drive our cars) I knew that going in, so that's "my" problem.

    In ALL 3 events, I found the judges to be VERY open to listening to the history, and acknowledging that a couple of the parts on mine are "carry over" using up old inventory. 1. The passenger side turn signal cage has the hole for the fiber optic, while the drives side does not. The car has never been hit, nor have the grills ever been removed. While it was noticed all three times, in all three cases it was "accepted" as factory original. Second example was judges accepting the passenger side sun visor does not have the label as the gov't rule didn't go into effect until calendar year 72, so that was a mid production change. Third example, is there is evidence that there was some partial repaint which also came up at all three events. With the help of Dick Whittington, Roy Sinor and Terry McMannon, all confirmed that the early C3's have a history of well over half of them went from the end of the production line to the "paint detail shop" at the factory. (Long before computer controlled paint jobs) I also have documents showing the car was at the original dealer less than 5 days before I took delivery. Hence the theme,,,"the way it was, not the way we wished it was.

    In my very limited experience, the judges do a fantastic job. One judge voluntarily came back to the car the day after it was judged at San Jose and on his own time spent two hours going over the car with me to show how the most little (& IMHO insignificant items ie cotter pins and bushings) caused it to just miss the 80% (77% & 79%) minimum score in two categories. I came away obviously disappointed, but totally accept the job the judges do as it relates to the judging manual.

    High 5 to all judges at all three events and in my case to Stan our Team Leader for 70-72"s for demonstrating what I view as the spirit and intent of judging!!!

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    • Gordon H.
      Frequent User
      • August 31, 2006
      • 43

      #17
      Re: Horn Button Judging

      Norm as you know I;m also an original owner. I didn't mind the deduction and liked the judges also.The problem is when other owners that I know look at my car and see my horn button isn't what the book says then comes the question what's right, me or the book. I say me and they show me the book(TIM & JG).I say it is time to get something in writing from the people at NCRS. When enough people chime in and state what they have and what their # is then we can see when the factory changed to what the book says. This was my first time at a judging and did well.

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      • Tom P.
        Expired
        • March 1, 2001
        • 1

        #18
        Re: Horn Button Judging

        I have the Nevada Silver 71 LT-1 convertible, later production (March 71) VIN 12358 the top square next to the pole is white.
        There was a lot of "switching parts" done in 71. I believe because of the UAWstrike in fall 1970 the production run started late, there were many parts from 1970 model year "used up" in 1971. Case in point, the washer pump up to I believe VIN 12605 is 5 port (as in 69 through 70 )for cars with headlight washers. I have no headlight washers but a 5 port washer pump with a by pass hose from one of the extra ports to the other. My car was 247 from having a 3 port pump, they were simply using up the parts.

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